Everyone gets starry eyed for the Tiger, But the Panther is certainly the tougher Nut.
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The issue with all those types of STGs is that we are basically “only” looking at this from their firerate perspective, while in reality alll those guns basically had 500 rpm.
A small boost in firerate is no issue of course, but when you add 150 rounds per minute on every weapon, we lose some iconic characteristics of guns.
There are other ways these guns can be balanced.
For example, MKBs deserve much less accuracy and worse dispersion than STGs, because MKBs did function with an open bolt, which is typical for old SMGs and machine guns. Later STGs got changed so that you can shoot with a closed bolt, which made it much easier to shoot accurately with single shots and bursts.
Also the same logic can be applied with guns like FG42, because FG42 were pretty crazy mechanically, because if their fire selector got switched from semi auto to full auto, it would transition from a closed bolt gun into a open bolt gun.
So FGs could actually get a accuracy and dispersion bonus if put into semi auto.
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Well you know, 10 round magazines and 20 round magazines for AVT did exist, just like 10 round mags for FG42 did aswell.
There are ways to rebalance BR5 and BR4 without messing balance up.
I don’t like where a lot of these are BUT, I sort of came to the conclusion that I wouldn’t be suggesting any Assault Rifles or Select Fires in Reach of BR 3…Even If they are redundant in BR 5 atm
Why not though? MKBs were already part of Moscow and Stalingrad in the past.
Also the MKB 35 exists and is a BR2 weapon
Yeah I know, and I remember all the crying about how broken it was, Even when The AVT-40 was available to all infantry and the MKB was only Assaulters. Somehow was overlooked 
. Just Tip toeing around it for now lol.
By All means, feel free to suggest they belong at BR 4 (I happen to think the MkB would be okay)…but yeah
hehe yeah, and no one even wanted it until it was no longer obtainable. hehe us lucky few
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Pretty spot on.
I wonder how you got all your inspiration for this
Only switch I’d make, that isn’t really a necessity (but mostly for fun), is make the old mkb series and stg45, ALONG KIRALY br4.
I’d also put ppd40 br 4. Some argue ppd40 is even better than drum ppsh41… but I just feels it fits at br4, like the Kiraly and they would balance each others well.
But they can also all stay as is and it’d still be good.
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the short stug needs to be BR1 (also would highly increase its sales), the long stug needs to be br2.
i tested the long stug intensely and its weaker than 3 german BR2 tanks, so letting it stay in br3 is nonsense.
for the dicker max i also recommend a lowering to br2, as its one of the absolutely worst german BR3 tanks. in br2 it would be a playable option, but mostly for fun and not power level, since other tanks are still more reliable. also great for gaijin, since it will increase sales of it.
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lowering MKBs, ppd&ppsh (71 bullets), miraly, mp717 to BR4 also can make these weapons playable, as atm they are unplayable next to the strong assault rifles in BR5 and for BR4 they dont collide too much with their alternatives. ppd&ppsh are highly overrated btw, very fun to play but not serious weapons compared to assault rifles.
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That was suggested in My “thoughts on Tank Destroyers” section.
I assume you are agreeing with it, or didnt get that far lol
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They could move Stug F to BR2 and leave it as it is, while also adding a late war Stug with coax and shielded commander MG for BR3.
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It should use HE primarily though, it should lose its HEAT, regular AP for the 7.5cm will oneshot kill everything anyways at BR1
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Note:
I realized you created a “early” pps42, for br2. I would then leave mp38 at br 2 as well, since the listed rof is the same.
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I don’t like this topic at all, doesn’t even make sense to me.
Tiger H1 is already BR4, do you want it to be BR3 or what?
Extremely confusing and weird.
And stop putting kv-2 to BR3, that’s literally the worst BR related opinion I have ever seen here on forum.
All 40mag Berettas should have same BR.
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And what would be the point of that? It would be better to remove all but one, the best one. Because all the others would be just useless filler skins.
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Well, we have folders for that reason.
A better way would be to give those berettas various capacity magazines. And the best BR4 Beretta should get a bayonet.
Just lazily foldering them is boring. I really hate current trend to want majority of stuff lower to BR2 or BR3. It’s disgusting.
If people believe those things are weak, DF should instead buff or rework them.
I don’t have no clue reason why only BR2 and BR3 should be so bloated with stuff.
Confused myself, Tiger H is foldered behind the Tiger E…Logically to me Tiger H would be first, so when I checked BR, I mistook E for Tiger H = BR 5…So mistakenly, I thought it was dumb that the Panther was lower BR than tiger H…annnnnnnnny way
The gist was, Tigers and Panthers Should trade places, be it Tiger H or Tiger E
Clear as mud?
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I’m not sure if those cats should switch place. In WT, Panthor is arguably better than tigor, but in Enlisted, it’s bizzare.
I see em as sidegrades at most
Both tigors could be br4, I suppose… along the IS1, and the Sherman 76…
And I’m still waiting for super Persh… 
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Thats fair,
Mainly I look at it like, if you come face to face with a tiger or a panther in a BR 3 tank (uptier), tigers are much easier to punch through with “some” Br 3 options (or at least would be if given their better ammunition options) and ALOT easier to punch with BR 4 tanks
I have a pretty low opinion of the tiger thanks to warthunder…panther really does out do it
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