Mp717(r)

imo soviet thompson is cooler, can larp as marines huehuehue

albeit, hmm, the choice of camo, might now allow it, ah, sadge

The same can be said of the Panzerfaust and the Ofenrohr which are GERMAN but are in the Allied and Soviet TT So there is nothing to prevent the return of this weapon to the German TT.

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The Suomi KP/-31 SJR variant which has a muzzle brake can be fitted to further increase its accuracy in continuous firing mode.

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I also suggest the Suomi KP-44 which is better in Cadence in some variants From Increased Cadence,More Precision,Less Weight There were also variants with a rate of fire of 1000

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Those finnish smgs are also a very very interesting propositions for the TT, thank you.
I hope the Enlisted gods will hear my pleas, and return the good old legacy weapons, so we can have some more fun)

there is a difference - hand held AT weapons are needed for victory, one type of SMG is not.

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Ah, so there is even less of a reason to NOT add it back… :smiley:
(make it 2 smgs tho, if we are talking about all legacy weapons returning, its only fair for soviet thompson to make a comeback)

It doesn’t matter, that faction faces its weakness with what it has.

Tbh soviets did use panzerfausts en masse when captured(and they captured a lot), so i can’t really see the problem, us schreck is… questionable

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Suomi is the way to go for axis…yeees I know theres already a premium squad…chuck a bayonet or bipod on one or something and make it tech tree. Its not like they havent done that

Well I dont think there was a suomi with bayonet in real life but then again T20 that we have in game shouldn’t even be able to accept bayonet but it doese anyhow , there was Iranian contract Suomi that had bipod but those were fed from top of the gun like owen smg .
There is Suomi SJR(the SJR variant is in editor)which is just the normal suomi that is in premium squad but with compensater which could be added in game as TT of cource it will have better recoil other than that they could add MP-SS 42 which had 72(some sources mention 64)round drum

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I mean this could have been added far later but. feasible

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Hmm these were rare but we have very rare stuff in TT so I guess its OK but like I said Suomi SJR is already in editor so it would be easier to add in game
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Like I said this one has compensator at the end of the barrel while premium one doesn’t have compensator

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I have about 20 MP717R in stock, and I use 8 of them regularly (for the tank crew and one of the three assault squads). If you check the datamine table, the MP717R is the best PPSh, even better than the original Suomi. It has the best recoil, a reasonably controllable fire rate of 980 rounds per minute -compared to 1,150 for the PPSh-41, 1,040 for the PPD-40, or 1,045 for the PPSh-45. But where it really shines is the recoil control.

The only downside is the bullet velocity - just over 400 m/s for the MP717R, compared to 450 m/s for the PPSh-41.

Overall, I don’t mind sharing it and adding a chance for it to drop in the Veteran’s Crate.

Considering that the T-34 STZ “ARTEM” is already available for a Golden Order.

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I hope this variant of the Suomi KP-31 with the muzzle brake is included

very amazing propositions on these finnish smgs, i would definitely love to see a TT suomi one day, thank you !!!

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Why not something unique? The M/31 SJR would fit perfectly.

Do we even have a reason, why the legacy weapons were deleted and not integrated into TT instead ?
for example soviet breda, soviets have only a single br2 mg and me personally, i did not enjoy it, not one bit, why not keep breda at br2 ?
I would love something unique like suomi in our TT, but at this point this thread isnt just about mp717(r) but about all other legacy weapons, which i feel like, all have place in the TT, whether it be for fun or balance or for the fairness(so that all players can experience it and not just those people who were at the right place, at the right time)

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