I bought a shitload of them and have now 10 maxed out I play pretty much nothing else than these guns lol. They do have more recoil thought so I am retraining my assaulters III for vertical recoil. Also their fire rate as an Axis player is insane, you go through one mag so fast!
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If you reason like you do, then the MP43 can reduce the damage by another 20% and it would be “ok” too.
In principle, it could be “normal” for a very long time. It has now become much closer to mediocre, losing 10-15% of its performance for no reason at all.
Thanks! You gave me back some dire needed faith. Wish I’d have as much bronze thought, not playing enough to upgrade em 
Yes, modern military’s use intermediate cartridges rather than pistol cartridges. But as I said, .45 will fuck most anyone up within 10 meters, whereas I said I have little to no idea about the stopping power of the Kurz cartridge in comparison to a .45 at that close of range.
The 7.92x33 was a middle ground between the 7.92x57 and 9mm.
At point blank range, where does the stopping power fall in between those two cartridges.
Will it fall on the higher end, and drop someone easily, or will it be closer to the 9mm and potentially require a mag dump to put someone down? That’s my thought process here.
I’d be somewhat willing to assume the higher end simply because of superior barrel length, and the added bullet velocity.
Just to meet this argument up front, there are definitely cases where someone could tank more than 1 shot from a .45 due to pure adrenaline, but I’d be willing to say it’s unlikely at best.
Until I learn more about the 7.92x33, I’ll remain believing .45 is more proficient at close ranges, whereas the kurz will remain much more efficient past that. I feel that may be the thought process of the devs as well.
In this case Fedorov cannot have 10.5 damage, because the bullet is quite thin. The kurz cartridge is not a full-fledged intermediate cartridge, closer to a pistol cartridge.
In terms of kinetic energy it is significantly superior to the .45 acp
1 - 6.5mm
2 - 7.62x25
3 - 7.92x33 kurz
4 - 7.62x39 (AK)
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.45 acp - 500-600
kurz - 1800-1900
6.5mm - 2666
Naturally in life the width of the bullet and other influences, but in general the difference is such that it should be felt. Right now the kurz is 7% better than the .45. Bullshit
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Kinetic energy isn’t where .45 strength lies. It moves slow, and has a larger mass than most pistol calibers, so it’s almost more blunt force than penetration. It really fucks a person up.
And just for the record, I’m not arguing for or against the federov. I’m comparing your earlier statement about .45 US weapons doing more damage within 10 meters than the mp43.
On the subject of the federov, it’s an interesting decision admittedly. I won’t act like an expert on the cartridge, but I do know it’s not a very powerful one overall.
The 9mm is also a pretty big round, but does 1.4 less damage than the .45
The difference between the two is much less than between the .45 and the kurz.
It used to be closer to the truth.
1.4 between 9mm and .45 and 1.4 between .45 and kurz.
I have to call bullshit here.
9mm is a pea shooter. Straight up. It has nothing close to the stopping power of a .45 outright. Better penetration, yes.
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Fedorov(because of its lower velocity) and Stg have almost the same muzzle enerergy IRL. Cannot agree more.
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I promise you, comparing the .45 and 9mm is not a fair comparison. They are completely different in terms of results. I already said why.
In the same way, I’m not sure whether comparing the .45 and kurz is fair, but I’ve been trying anyway.
As far as I see it, at close range, the .45 will hurt a lot more theoretically, and the kurz will be better at longer distances. That seems to be the case in game now.
Only the game has no distance for kurz, so such aspects should be simplified.
and also the sniper mkb does 9.6, although it is the same as the mp43
And also the difference in damage occurs ONLY when the weapon is upgraded to 6 stars, which is not in line with your thoughts on “ammo”. This is simply a mistake, as the standard damage is the same as the old difference between 8.2 and 9.6
I think a more apt comparison between 7.92 Kurtz and .45 is a rifle caliber round like 30-06 and a Shotgun slug. Sure, both are going to do some serious shit if they hit, but at point blank the slug will definitely mess you up more than the rifle caliber round just because of how much mass there is. However, slug looses energy quickly and does not have the range of the rifle round.
Then the rifle cartridge should lose its 10-12 damage. These cartridges have more powder, but the bullet is not wider and does not do much more damage, it just flies faster and longer.
Right?
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No, because in the comparison I made, a rifle caliber round would be an antimaterial round like a .50 BMG, which would hurt more than both a slug and a rifle round at point blank.
First semi auto nerf, then rp nerf (ok fixed but still), concussion and now this. Some really questionable moves by DF.
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8mm kurz is very similar to 7.62x39. Probably slightly heavier impact, but worse balistics, accuracy and armor penetration. Much more power than a 45.
As for .45 vs 9mm, the difference is quite small. I’d suggest watching this video, as I’d say it’s well done
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If that’s true about the kurz, maybe it does have better stopping power than the .45. I’ll look into it a bit myself as well.
9mm and .45 both have things they are good and bad at. 9mm has more velocity, while .45 just has a lot more of an oomf factor.
When I think “what pistol round will buckle someone’s knees 99% of the time”, it’s .45.
I say 99% of the time because I saw a story awhile back of an officer putting 14 .45 rounds in someone and they kept coming lmao. Believe me when I say I was in disbelief seeing it wasn’t 9mm.
I believe in the video Garand Thumb even outright said there’s just more power behind the .45. Something along those lines.
I already forgot.
Interesting nonetheless. I appreciate the info.
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Just in case you’re interested, I found this.
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