I’m still waiting on a good argument as to why the Panzer II should have the best armor in the game.
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“Historical accuracy”
I’m still waiting for a good gameplay argument as to why the KV-1 should be in the game.
Pz III E is a lot more survivable in my experience.
The only argument Soviets have as to why Pz II shod be nerfed is it’s ability to survive a shot to the front from the T-60. While completely disregarding the fact that T-60 can pen the sides of Pz much easier than the other way around. And T-60 also happens to have better anti-infantary capabilities. So, it evens out in other areas.
Considering Soviet players are the advocates of uniqueness and assymetrical balance(as seen in request for KV-1), this whole discussion is a proof of how they change their narrative to the benefit of their faction.
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i don’t understand such hostility in your words from the beginning.
also, the thing that really triggers me the most, is that you partially see what people are talking about, and than, not knowing, you always complain, suggesting to reverse the problem on the german.
which, i don’t personally mind, but your way it’s not gonna fix the game as you might thing.
and yes, we ( i’m not here to take credits ) wanted to start a pull, for english ,and russian community.
once results will be done, i’ll share them in another post, and actually see which conclusion can be made.
but in all of these,all you do, it’s complain. without providing some objective ( rather subjective ) solution.
and if i’m being honest, i’m not sure we want the same game based on your opinion. and this is fine.
but i expect you to respect the others as the other respect you.
cheers.
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“Just flank”
Aha
BUT
Should relegate the T-60 to a support role instead of one of the mainline tanks. Give the Germans the Pz1 with the dual MG34s (with probably a longer time to overheat than the coax’s on the PzIIIs to compensate) as their support tank. Unless the Germans have a different turd box that was used at the time in Moscow comparable to either the Panzer 1 or the T-60 that maybe doesn’t have such dogshit armour as the PzI
please stay on topic
other issue can have other thread
topic of thread is mp-41
mp-41 is OP
normally one would look at state of all guns of both sides for balance, as will have to happen with engerland and germany campaign
but mp-41 is different in that it must also be compare closely to competing product weapon - ppk-41
MP weapons of german team are already very controllable. However, mp-41 is controllable to absurd degree, with or without premium soldier perks (pick up an mp41 while on a regular trooper it still very controllable (if it doesnt break)). This give german team distinct advantage in games due to having what is effectively assault rifle when everyone else is have normal smg, but without downside of actual assault rifle.
In comparison to competing product weapon (ppk-41) it have more damage per round, a similar fire rate, and significantly less recoil. Everything else equal (as otherwise the premium squads are equal) a german premium squad will win in any head on engagement, especially as the range gets further.
too lazy did not read: due to being a paid for weapon, the two premium weapons must be compared to each other. mp-41 is far more effective than ppk-41 owing to its far far lower recoil. When I use my ppk-41 or mp-28 or pick up mp-40 or mp-38 they are not near as good as mp-41 that i pick up.
also note: i do not ‘main’ rosia, i use ‘queue up as both’ mode which almost always put me on rosia side due to severe player imbalance.
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Sure. I don’t mind having the tank replaced by something that is on par or fulfill a similar role. Or you could even make them both starter tanks have similar stats so that neither has advantage when you start the game. But I wouldn’t take that route since I like having the difference in equipment.
Simply removing the frontal armour of the current Pz II is trying to remove this unsymmetrical balance in the game. It’s along the same lines as PPD vs MP, German vs Soviet rifle damage, IL-2 vs Stuka discussions. If any of those equipment suffers in one stat, they make up for it in something else. It is the same for Pz II. Until and unless people start appreciating their differences, these unnecessary escalations will continue.
And if it was up to me, I’ll open up the Moscow campaign for 4-5 days of open test. It will help understand the current state of balance in the game and reflect our opinions accordingly. Due to the state of player base rn, the latest results and reports should not be considered a credible source to understand equipment balance.
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So what you’re saying is we need the KV-1 because assymetrical balance is a free no-balance pass, got it.
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Lmao no.
Even 45mms struggle to pen the Panzer II frontally, and when you do pen there’s usually little to no post-pen damage.
Anything can pen anything from the side, and the Panzers’ quicker acceleration, turn rate, and traverse rate give them a huge advantage there as well.
Meanwhile the Panzer II lolpens everything
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Could be psychological thing, yes. Could also be political and like current stuff - because Russia’s behavior is very questionably recently(I say that as a Russian myself, I can say my opinion).
Also, Soviet Union and its role in WW2 - many people also dislike that. You can’t expect say, a Polish guy, or like Hungarian guy - to like playing Soviet side in this game. Etc.
BUT I do think STILL - it is a question of FUN and balance. Early Soviet game is boring and empty, until level 10-11. And GE gets too many cookies early. Etc. So just Developers need to take a good look at balance.
Agree with your comments about German tanks.
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This
I don’t like the USSR, but I dislike wehrbs more. I’d honestly be more happy to player Germans like I did in RO2, but the slavs are more fun as the underdog as well. So if I can ruin the match of some wehrb I’m more than happy to play their opposition.
Gotta thank years of War Thunder and recent BR changes for that level of disdain 
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Panzer 2 is strangely invulnerable to PTRD rifle while Panzer 3E isn’t
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The problem is that in western countries, ww2 myths are highly influenced with cold war propaganda. People forget that Russians sacrificed themselves for their asses and put modern politics ahead of fun. Germany, right now is a western NATO state while Russia is on the opposite side. Also people believe in movies like enemy at the gates. You can easily find on internet that enemy at the gates is unrealistic and filled with bullshit. I even suggest people all the time to watch a german movie stalingrad which is much more realistic.
I was born in the south eastern europe but I am right now in a university in a west european country, people look at Slavs like some crazy, drunk killers and many people judged me from where I came from.
I am guessing, but dividing Eastern Europe between the Soviets and Nazi Germany, invading Poland simultaneously with Nazi Germany and invading the neutral Finland under false pretenses can’t have helped their popularity. Or it could have all just been “Cold War propaganda”, sure.
Look I wasn’t defending their war crimes. Soviets, under Stalin’s rule were bad but a ton of people forget Germans were much more racist, murderous and fanatic. So people see Nazis as good guys over Soviets. As I already said players don’t see Germans as Nazi racist killers, they just see them as…Germans. While looking at Russians, they see commie rapists.
One guy on reddit said how German soldiers were just normal people while the Russian soldiers were all evil. His statement was generalising and racist
well, when speaking in war. that is truee. there are no " hero "
no american, no germans, and no soviets either.
sadly, many people are still plagued by german propaganda where still makes many people thinks about the good guys when they weren’t.
aside from the fact there there are planty of proof of what those germans did to many country, people and entire races.
in a game, for the gameplay sake, you make preferences. unfortunally, as i said before, plagued by propaganda.
in my case and many others, as i played more with the germans and than the russians for two simple reason. the main one being my Geburtsland ( country of birth ). and as such, many people loves to see the history of their country in a video game. and as i said in other post, world war two it’s a fascinating subject ( apart from the killing and unecessary violences ) an era of pioonering, tank engineering, planes, weapons and many other aspects.
and for the second reason why i started with the german, and than with the russian it’s because for a " fashion " way, i like more the germans rather than the soviet. but that’s for my own preferences. not one being better than the other one as many people falsely claim. ( because guess what, the germans thankfully for everyone, lost the war ).
so, no. just because i play as a german, i do not like being called as a nazi, or wehraboo. there are many differences that many people do not see ( unfortunally).
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I definitely agree with you! Playing a certain side for fun is what I enjoy, I play both sides but I dont like it when people only play one side for some political reasons and wont touch the other one. And those guys post on this forum like they know everything but actually they dont know nothing about the other side. For example TCat, as much as I respect some of his statements, sometimes he talks like he knows everything about the soviet side even if he once said how he never plays and never will play the soviet side.
And he always says to me how BT-7 is the best tonk with powerful HE and german tanks are bad even though BT-7 cant survive anything that hits it because it has no crew and no armour. Also BT-7s HE is almost as bad as the german one plus the inferior coaxial MG that deals no damage. But TCat doesnt know that because guess what? He never plays Soviet tanks! When I unlocked the Panzer 3B I was surprised how good that tank actually is even though TCat said how it is the worst tank in the game, its not the worst tank in the game, just the worst GERMAN tank in the game
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I played it during the alpha, and occasionally do play it solely to test the tanks.
But infantry? I can’t immerse myself into it. So no, I will never play Soviets for the infantry and often just quit the match after I get locked out of my tank.
I have had games in the BT-7 that I would never be able to do in Pz2 or Pz3, because the HE on the BT-7 just does so much work for me, and the mobility can get you in places there the German side doesn’t even think about checking, so you can just snipe people from medium-long range, repositioning often.
Mobility isnt everything. Panzers are still better and more survivable
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Survivability onion:
Dont get seen
If you get seen, dont get hit
If you get hit, dont get penetrated
If you get penetrated dont die
The BT-7 is very good at the top 2, while the Pz3s are better at the bottom 2.
BT-7 kinda just suits me, which can also explain why I perform better in it.
Either way, it does have its advantages and definitely a formidable tank.
Oh and once again we are talking tanks in a SMG thread, oops.