Move P-63A-10 to BR III


I’m gonna compare the P-63A-10 with P-51D-5 in order to explain you why they belong in the same BR:
Well I have compared this 2 fighter planes and I don’t see how P-63A-10 is BR IV and P-51D-5 is BR III.
P-63A-10 is low altitude fighter while P-51D-5 is high altitude but as performance wise they are very similar and yet played very differently. P-51D-5 is good at Hight altitudes and better air to air capabilities since it has 6 machine guns compared to P-63A-10 4 machine guns the P-63A-10 compensates with 37 mm cannon but since its a slow cannon you can use it only against ground targets or slow planes which will make it absolutely useless against faster planes.
When it comes to bombs they are also very balanced. Now lets compare it with the starting German and Japanese BR IV fighters:

BF 109 G-6:

Well as you can see here the firepower is even bigger considering it has 1x20 mm auto cannons and 2 better machine guns and the cannons are fast. When it comes to performance they have very similar turn rate but in every other aspect G-6 is better there is also 1 more factor that makes the G-6 better dog fighter and this is the controls the G-6 is much more stable in the dog fights since P-63 has similar to FW controls but better however still is one of those sensitive planes. When it comes to bomb load they are very similar 4x60 kg cover better area 1x250kg is better against big targets and they are in the middle that is the best place for bombs for planes.
So G -6 is better plane hands down. However G-6 is high altitude fighter very similar to P-51D-5 but better do to better fire power and specially in longer fights with P-51D-5 the G-6 will come on top. If you are P-51D-5 player avoid longer engagements with this plane. Also trading shots is not good option do to auto cannons. Best way to engage him is from higher altitude but if he is on your tail well that’s bad like very bad… however the good thing is if you are on his tail you have good chances since everything he can do you can do also. Without one flaps trick that is very hard to pull up.

Ki-61-II Otsu Kai:

The Ki-61-II Otsu Kai is low altitude fighter very similar to P-63A-10 has a bit less bomb load but it definitely covers it with the most insane firepower having 400 rounds in its auto - cannons means he is up for a trade in shots he is up for a spam he is up for 2 vs 1 battles he has enough ammo to put 2 planes down. In a dog fight as performance wise the P-63A-10 and Ki-61-II are very similar but do to the sensitive controls is much harder for P-63A-10 to dogfight and do to the bad armament of P-63A-10 with its slow velocity 37 mm cannon and only 4 mgs trading shots is not a good option unless you get some lucky 37 mm hit. Overall the Otsu is better plane. Specially if you lower its speed below 600 and put the flaps you will win the dog fight.

So i think its wise to put P-63A-10 to BR III since its biggest problem are fast fighters and against this super fast Jet planes I don’t see how its slow velocity 37 mm cannon and 4 mgs will be enough to engage any jet fighter. Specially if the Jetfighter refuses to get in a dog fight and just zooming you all the time. And even in war thunder P-63A-10 is with battle rating 4.0 Similar to P - 51D-5 that also is 4.0 and majority of Jet fighters are with battle rating 7+ … and here P-63A-10 is performing worse then in war thunder. So in war thunder the good dogfighters planes are very good against bad players and very bad against good players since good players wont dog fight you and if the dogfighter don’t have good fire power and good speed you cant survive the booming and zooming spam. And if P-63A-10 had more fire power would be able to fight such planes since the speed is not that bad but just the 4 mgs and the low velocity cannon wont be able to do enough damage to the jet fighter if he misses you and he will probably fly away and zoom you again. While the Ki -61 and G-6 have enough fire power at least to punish the jet if he misses. However the Ki is on the slow side so it may have some troubles the G-6 will be better since is high altitude fighter and will have the best chances against jets from this 4 planes.

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yes

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I’m certainly not against the suggestion

I would like to point out though:


1: Soviets only face Germany


2: Currently Germany has 2 “fighters” at BR 3 with no bombs whatsoever. Soviets have one with, one without and then the Yak 9k. (We also just suggested the Yak 9T go down to BR 3)


3: Germany also has to deal with the Mustangs, p-38s and Hellcats


I don’t Think the 109 G6 is a good argument for why it should be down tiered (theres not much between them), but instead the P-63-10 moving down would be a good argument for the G6 to go with it.


Enlisted doesn’t show it but the P-63 A-10 has almost double the One second burst mass of the 109 G-6 (lead going down range in 1 second of fire)…About the same burst mass if you ignore the 37mm

Germany has a Fighter (with ordnance) Gap at BR 3, which honestly the G.55 Fiat and the 109 G 6 could easily fit the bill. (The Fiat, while a very nice plane…is not that Heavily armed…its the least armed Fiat they could Pick)

The 109 G6 is 2 BRs higher than the 109 F1/F2 and you barely get more bang for buck out of it (for enlisted purposes)

The La-5, Yak 9T, Yak 9k and the P-63 would be a monstrously fun line up though :slight_smile:

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Well I agree they can fit also BR III. But the argument is comparing P-63A-10 with P-51D-5. The other options are a bit above the 4.0 rating that’s why I’m not sure about them yet.

Well they can specially with the new jet fighters its easier for now to give Bf 109 F-4/trop that is also 4.0 fighter bombs.

The G.55 and the G-6 and Ki-61-II Otsu Kai are just a bit above the average battle rating and they don’t have downside like starting on ship. But at the other hand they are exactly on that border where im split do they belong on BR III or BR IV while for the P-63A-10 im not split since its a solid 4.0 like P-51D-5 .

But if we move them to BR III then we got to move the Ki-61-II Otsu Kai to BR III that will resolver a lot of Japanese problems.

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Are you basing this on Warthunder BR? (I agree that’s a good matchup for plane vs plane).

But for gameplay in Enlisted the CAS capability gives you that little extra value. So for Value in Enlisted, I Certainly would rate the P-51 over alot of the BR 4 planes.

I dont want to be that guy that says P-51D is more like a BR 4 plane (by comparison)…cos I enjoy it

Corsair is definitely BR 5 power level

Well the P-51D is good its definitely but it overheats easily but it has good boombs if the devs are super lazy. They can just move P-63A-10,Yak 9t, G-6,G.55.,FW190 A-8,G-14,Ki-61-Hei,A6M3,61-II Otsu,D4Y1,J2M3,AP-1,Boomerang Mk II one BR lower.

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dont forget Mosquito!!! :stuck_out_tongue:

Yes I think all of those had posts forwarded to be lowered (I think…not sure if G14 had one)

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am split on Mosquito since its really good its BR IV for sure. Only if it had rockets :stuck_out_tongue: but its definitely on the level of Me 410

G-14 is just worse then G-10 hope they give it a bomb also…

bf110 is faster (even though it shouldnt be historically), Better bombs and BR 3

you can read the reasons here

BR 3 ← Mosquito (Myrm1don Suggestion) - Suggestions - Enlisted

I will check it but im not sure really the Mosquito is fast and has good turn rate good armament its better then the Beaufighter.

Well yes its possible to give Mosquito rockets Uncle Tom will be perfect :smiley: But yes with the bombs is a bit of lackluster can be BR III if its with bombs but simply I cant keep the Beaufighter at BR IV and Mosquito at BR III its wrong :smiley:

Yes and No… the beaufighter isnt technically as good a “plane”, But because this is Enlisted it has that extra CAS value I was talking about above

Rp-3 Rocket are better than HVARs at killing swarms of infantry and it is disgusting what you can do with 8 of these on the Beaufighter…thats why It is cursed to be at BR 4

mosquito cant come close to the destruction the Beaughfighter can cause, nor is it good enough to fight off fighters, so its advantages are meh

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If the Mosquito have rockets it can be BR IV but just with bombs its ok at BR III. Me 410 B-1 can also be moved to BR IV since is a bit lackluster also.

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Yeah ive mentioned that Before to about the Me410. The me410 at BR IV is better than the BR 5 one lol

and yeah, I did offer the alternative to buff the mosquito…but since that takes alot more work than changing the BR…i thought suggesting a BR change would be the most likely to get a change.

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Yeah maybe thats the easiest solution just to move them BR lower

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