I tried playing with this thing, but it is not possible to be successful with it.
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Lol? Hellcat is extremely fun and pretty good vehicle.
M10 deserves to be BR3, but hellcat definitely do not.
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i think it does the definition of a glass cannon even anti-tank rifles would kill it any area and angle
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I have yet to be shot by an HE shell from the front of a M10 and die. I have been with the Hellcat multiple times already. M10 belongs in BR IV because it can at least survive an HE shell to front armor.
It may be fun, but not good.
If you are not doing well with TD that has zero armor, just don’t play it. There’s no reason to put this vehicle on BR3 just because you are not doing well with it.
I kind of don’t understand the logic of putting it on BR3. Since it wouldn’t really add any armor to it. Even a BR1 tank can easily destroy it. Even after such change, you would literally cry about the same thing. Nothing would change for you.
If you seriously think the m10 is better than the hellcat. Then no comment.
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You mean the reasons for it to be moved to BR III don’t stick out like a sore thumb to you?
- Armor so weak that an M3 Stuart is more survivable than it
- Exposed commander
- No hull MG
That BR I tank may be able to easily destroy it, but the Hellcat could easily destroy that BR I tank. Can you say the same when the Hellcat tries to play with Tiger Is and Tiger IIs? No, that is precisely why you cycle to another tank.
If you seriously think the Hellcat is better than the M10. Then, no comment.
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Why are you comparing BR5 heavy tanks with BR4 TD?
Funnily enough, putting hellcat to BR3 wouldn’t change a thing. You would still be facing those tanks anyway.
So completely nonsensical argumentation on at least 2 levels, lol.
I guess you just want to seal club with hellcat in low BR queue.
Commanders of both deserved to have ability to use binoculars.
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Both absolutely should sit in BR3, their gun is basically as strong as a Panzer IV gun, while being even more of a glass canon.
Extra mobility seems justified, otherwise I wouldn’t even pick them in BR3.
Well, Hellcat has less armor, so there is that.
Also one would think it has a better gun than the M10 since it is longer and has that cute muzzle break.
But I don’t think they perform much different.
I understand your reasoning and logic Ron, but I will have to politely disagree, is the gun as well as the rate of speed and the speed of the transmission shift change is quite superior than a standard tier 3 battle rating three vehicle. Using the panther, I have come across the M18 hellcat multiple times and I have been obliterated by it multiple times, including one time in my tiger 2 age, it pierced through my side by skirt like melted butter. The open top and light armor of the vehicle, unfortunately is a downside, but historically the M18 hellcat was designed and developed to be a very fast tank destroyer that could circle a position, stop, fire its cannon a couple of times and peel out of the hotspot before a German tank or enemy could spot it. That’s why it has the long 76 on it as well as the open top. The open top is a weight reduction that saves on fuel consumption, ammunition storage and most importantly the crew can look over the top of the turret and spot vehicles and enemies at a greater rate and depth than a crew in a closed turret vehicle.
I would recommend maybe changing your play style a bit? Ambush tactics as well as speedy reverses out of kill zones would be a very smart way of taking full advantage of the M18 hellcat.
Also, do not forget, that if the hellcat is to be brought to BR III, it will be going up against tiers I-III. In battle rating I & II it would be overpowered in lower BR games. There would be nearly no vehicles capable of defending against the longer 76 cannon. Yet because it is BR IV it is locked to 3-5 BR games and yet it still isn’t the weakest nor the most powerful. It has an important role in the game and I believe it can be used wisely and with great control.
My opinion is if dicker max is BRIII, why is M18 BRIII?
All paper armor SPG should be BRIII
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BR1 Panzer III will defeat Hellcat if it shoots first.
Hellcat has zero armor, and a BR3 gun while also being open top.
the speed is nice, but in the end it isn’t better than Panzer IV J in neither anti tank or anti infantry power, so whats the point?
Dicker Max does not have a rotating turret nor does it have any machine guns to defend itself against infantry. The 105 has a longer reload and it can be tracked and taken out by a single shot to the firing deck. The M18 has speed and a turret, plus a 50cal on top.
I’m not arguing against you for the sake of it, I am just outing that information into consideration and objectively trying to make the point of consideration for this conversation.
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Hellcat is equal to Puma in a direct fight, even BR1 tanks can delete it easily.
m10 could in theory be an issue, since it has Sherman armor, yet since Sherman is also a BR3 vehicle, you would basically trade your anti infantry power for a better anti tank gun.
That’s not true. I’ve played my Pz III J against a hellcat and I could not penetrate. Pz. III N could not either, even with HEAT shells. The Pz IV various types can penetrate but they are also not low BR.
Then make a suggestion again and state that the M18 hellcat should be BR III. I’m not going to be affected by this change. I’m trying to give conversation and be a voice of consideration for the change.
The speed of the M18 and the turret turn time is faster than any low BR vehicle in the TT.
doubt, it has 12mm of armor. How can you possibly not penetrate it?
Distance and penetration are factors you should consider. The M18 has valued power at distance. If this is a low BR match, the M18 can fire form distances and not be penned. The M18 has a 50cal on top, only one BR III axis has a MG on top.
Then make it BRIII. You will just cause more suffering for High BR Allied games because there will be less good vehicles to fight against high NE axis or Japs.
Do whatever, I’m not arguing nor taking a solid stance on this. 
how? again tell me how 12mm of armor can not be penetrated?
if what you say is true, then this is a bug and needs to be reported.