This two axis ground attackers are absolutely bad for BR II. The BR II fighter planes are better at ground attacking then this 2 planes. The Ju is a bit better cuz at least it has 2 x 50 kg more then the average fighter but the lack of heavy armament like auto cannons or heavy machine guns make it really useless at its main job hunting apcs and the D3A1 is absolutely having bad armaments and it has payload of a BR II fighter how can it be BR II ground attacker.
If BR II fighter planes are better then this BR II ground attacker at their main role they don’t belong in BR II :
For what reason I will put them on the same BR as this fighter planes ?
They are better at everything then this 2 ground attackers and there is not a single justification to even compare them for the other versions of the Ju 87 at least you either have a very big bomb or cannons with a lot of ammo but the Ju 87 B-2 has no cannons or heavy machine guns and no big bomb and its telling you from miles that it is coming and the D3A1 have the same payload as this fighter planes without their fighter capabilities or their good guns. So i think its very reasonable to fix this 2 ground attackers and the Zero also needs a buff either a 250 kg bomb or to be moved to BR I since the BF is better then the Zero.
However the Ju-87 B-2 is still a decent BR2 attacker, it would be extremely good for BR1, (Not that I mind, its iconic, and frankly Id love to hear the Jericho horn more, ffs let me equip the horn as an option on the later Ju-87 models, I know for a fact that was done in the field sometimes even if they technically werent outfitted with it).
Alas, I see soviet mains losing their shit if the Ju-87 B-2 were to go down, like I would be happy to face it at BR1, but I know others wouldnt.
Agree, the D3A1 seems pretty meh since it takes forever and a half to get to the battlefield since it’s forced to take off from the carrier and the engine is rather weak, and the Stuka’s siren is so iconic but you never hear it in game since there’s little reason to use the B2 over the D5 or R2. Maybe with a small armament nerf so people (soviet mains) don’t complain, like removing two of the 50kg bombs maybe for the Stuka, then it would be equal to the armament of a fighter on BR2, the IAR.
Well the Soviets and US need BR I ground attackers but the current one are very good they have good armaments and good bombs so they cant be moved.
Well its not its the worst ground attacker after the Japanese ground attackers. Really if you remove the Japanese ones even the Potez is better and there is one event one that is worse FW 189 A-1 i forgot it exist even xD
Oh no. The soviets would have to deal with someone else having something good? oh the horror! Heaven forbid someone other than the UUSR gets to enjoy their toys.
Well they gonna give them Tandem MAI or the SB 2M-100 with 2x220 kg bombs there is many options the problem is more for the allies since the best option will be something like the Blackburn Skua and its not in war thunder. But even some version of the Vought SB2U Vindicator or the British version will do fine.
Only the potez and mk2b match the bomb load so unless we get a br0 we can’t put them in br1. Not to mention the soviet’s lack a plane at all with an equal bomb load.
If anything the d3a1 and ju87 br2 should be joined at br2 by the potez and mk2b or least the mk2b hurricane and yes bomb loads matter the most I am betting at least two thirds or more of attacker kills/points come from. bomb or rockets and not guns and cannons
There is no logic you have at BR I all the gear to kill this ground attackers without a problem. And a ground attacker should have better payload then a fighter plane of its BR. Even in war thunder same planes are facing same tanks D3A1 is a rank I ground attacker for a reason. I think if the ground attackers have payload less then 500 kg and have no heavy machine guns or cannons they belong exactly in BR I.
The problem is you have planes with no heavy weapons and around 200 kg of bombs at br1. Since you can’t send them lower then br1 you are power creeping br1, yes those planes might be weak at br2 but there stronger than most br1 planes.
I still prefer the B-2, I still use at B-2 time to time since the larp is immaculate, however yes, when compared to the D-5 in particular, it is completely eclipsed at BR2, it would fit at BR1, but it would be a BR defining plane as an attacker, which again Im fine with, it certainly fits the historical profile of it.
Thats true, maybe it would work best to move these all to BR1,
While the US could maybe get the SB2U-3, aka the Vindicator. V-156B-1 in French/British service.
One of those pre war designs that didnt hold up very well, however would be used by both the US and the UK, up to about 1942 even if it was only in limited numbers by that point. (The UK actually replacing their limited inventory of them with Fairy Swordfish of all things).
In game, they would be slow and vulnerable aircraft still but with the benefit of rocking 50cal guns.
As for the soviet, since they dont have any readily available models that could be added that arent a bit over powered.
The main option I thought of was the SB-2M-100 (or anything similar vehicle) with 6x100kg bombs.
SB-2M-100
pretend a screenshot of it in WT is here, my computer has just BSoD’ed 6 times in a row trying to get into WT, for some reason I could get the vindicator but not the this
Soc seagull has 2 7mm guns and 2 100 kg bombs
there are no starting planes this is not warthunder with backups
We have 5 brs everything has to fit in those hrs
If you drop a plane to hr 1 everything at br1 has to be able to compete
12mm in plane turns is not a cannon
So the buffalo
The lagg and yak 1 have a 20mm cannon each
So br1 attackers with cannons
Hurricane mk2b
Hurricane mk2b trop 2 250 kg bombs
What do you define as a starting plane there is no br0 this no starter planes
If you have to fight in all of br1 you are not a starter
It is exactly starting plane since you don’t need to grind for it and its made for a system of campaigns where was not supposed to go against Germany. The pacific gear was worse then the rest of the campaings.
Its a heavy machine guns it can pen BR I tanks and APCs.
what are you talking about are you playing the game LBRs and KG are two different things …
All the nations have a starting plane Japan has 2 actually since they are made for the pacific campaign and the soviet one is the best.
My only point is a starting plane has no meaning if it must compete with other br1 planes. That is no one is going to choose it over other br1 choices if you down tier these planes to br1. My other point is especially at low br most people are using bombs and rockets to get kills. And there’s planes have a bigger bomb load then all but 2 br1 level planes.
There is meta at every BR and starting planes wont be played. You cant make them comparable with end game BR I planes. Specially the Japanese BR I are like BR 0 planes since they are much worse then the starting soviet plane.
And dont just look at the bomb the bombs have types there is for an instance :
100 kg FAB-100sv (forged) has Explosive Mass
36 kg > G.P. 250 lb Mk.IV bomb Explosive Mass
30.7 kg
So its hard to explain people that don’t play pilot class plane balance not to mention there is armor pricing bombs like 50 kg SC50JA bomb in war thunder that wont be good against infantry but are better against tanks. So really plane balance its a complicated topic that you need to spend time playing pilot and ground attacker and separate them as two different classes.
