More BR 5 Rifle Options

Recently, a lengthy article was posted on Ru Forum about American conversions of the M1 Garand into a fully automatic rifle.

It’s quite funny that during the writing of the article, American sources made a number of mistakes that I had to correct :sweat_smile:.

I think I could now suggest some new automatic rifle for the USA.

T23 - this is an early redesign of the M1 Garand by Remington. The rifle has the same 8-round magazine and was created to test a new trigger mechanism. The only visual difference should be the fire selector and an enlarged buttstock.

T 24 - same as T23, but for testing another trigger mechanism. The buttstock must be standard.

T 22 - Automatic version of the M1 Garand from Remington, which used the trigger mechanism from the T23 rifle. It has a rate of fire of 500 rounds per minute, weighs 4.36 kg, and has a removable magazine for 20 rounds.


Option T22 with rod relocated to the left side.

T22E1 - T22 version for testing the new trigger mechanism and barrel pad.



T22E1 modified - improved rifle modified in connection with the requirements of the Artillery Directorate


Winchester prototype rifle number “3” - the rifle has a removable magazine (presumably for 5 rounds), presumably created to test a new trigger mechanism that matches the late Winchester patents. You can compare it with the trigger mechanism of the early Winchester rifle, which I posted above.




Winchester continued to develop their rifle, and on June 21, 1945, a document was compiled listing the changes to their automatic modification of the M1 Garand. A photograph of the rifle was also taken and sent to the Colonel Studler.

Description of the rifle:
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As you may have noticed, the document mentions a combined bipod and flash suppressor. Here is a patent from Winchester.

What’s most interesting is that Winchester created a prototype of the M1 Garand automatic rifle chambered in 7.62x51mm after the war. Except for the pistol grip (which became fashionable after the war), the rifle is very similar in description to the rifle from the June 21, 1945 document, especially that flash suppressor bipod! I think the Winchester rifle during WWII was very similar to this post-war rifle, and perhaps visually it differed only in the absence of a pistol grip (since it is not in the June 21, 1945 document).

And one more thing…

T20 which in the US upgrade tree did not have the ability to attach a bayonet!

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Hey nice list here is 2 things that you could add for Japan in BR 5
First one is obvious its Type 2 with type 95 ammo (No pictures on this particular weapon but people on forum have discussed it widely and there are written material on it)


(This illustration shows what the weapon might have looked like , another thing it uses 20 round mag(debatable some written materials say that it was 30 round )
Another thing there was 3 ammos that were in mind for this rifle 7.7x30 , 8.65x30 and 6.5x30(type 95) and as far as we know devs could add the guns in other 2 ammo types with different stats though no guns were made in 7.7 or 8.65 they were just being considered and from what I could gather they were tested in factory (Not with type 2 but just as ammo) so yeah it would be a little difficult to implant this it requires imagination and as our CM said any weapons that have no images from other angles of the gun will not have priority in being added .

Anyhow another weapon would be and M1 carbine shortened and made into a full auto rifle


(Image is courtesy of here)
According to reddit which mentions its source is Bruce Canfield’s 2nd Vol. of US Small Arms of World War II the weapon was a modification that Japanese soldiers made in Peleliu . It is chopped down version of M1 which also Japanese modified to fire fully automatically . It is as shown very crude modification also has bayonet shown in image anyhow , this gun can accept both 30 and 15 round M1 carbine mags

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We can also remember the Johnson auto carbine.

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Very good ideas, i love all of them, maybe they will help decomprese br 5 into br5 and 6 :slight_smile:

I don’t think it would be neccesary i mean

df could do something like this to make BR5 more flexible

  • MGs have a supresión effect that way it would make it more usefull

-20 bullets SF Will have better recoil control maybe bayonet/bipod or stuff like that and maybe damage buff?

-30 bullets instead Will have more magazine size but with harder recoil control like shooting the AVT-40 (well not like that it would make those rifles almost rubbish)

-SMGs/AR would give You like speed Boost? And the capabilty of having easy recoil control and fast ROF but having the dissaventage of low dmg as it does rn

Hell gonna make a post abt it this idea may have some potential