More BR 5 Rifle Options

There’s a lot of controversy around the top BR 5 rifles currently available in the tech trees. The goal of this post is to offer powerful options for all nations, and re-balance some of the current weapons with incorrect fire rates. I look forward to seeing your comments and feedback!

USSR

RPS-3

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12.7 (15.3) Damage
550 (610) Rounds Per Minute
20 Round Magazine Capacity
2.7 (2.0) Reload Speed
Bayonet? No

An experimental light machine gun design by Simonov, Trialed in 1943. It has the slowest rate of fire of all of the Soviet BR 5 rifle options, but would have the best recoil and dispersion stats (this will be a theme for all weapon choices for each nations).

Fedorov M1926

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12.7 (15.3) Damage
600 (660) Rounds Per Minute
25 Round Magazine Capacity
3.0 (2.4) Reload Speed
Bayonet? Yes

One of the many Fedorov Rifle variants, this one is chambered in 7.62x54mmR and was trialed in 1926. It would have comparable recoil and dispersion to the current T20.

AVS-36

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13.2 (15.8) Damage
800 (880) Rounds Per Minute
15 Round Magazine Capacity
2.7 (1.5) Reload Speed
Bayonet? Yes

It’s the AVS-36 as it currently exists in the game, but with a rate of fire buff. It has the lowest magazine capacity of any BR 5 rifle, but one of the highest damages and rates of fire with decent controllability, and a fast modified reload (1 or more bullets left in the magazine). All of these would result in a gun that’s great at mid-range engagements, but is limited in it’s ability to wipe squads.

AVT 40 (25 Patronov)

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12.7 (15.3) Damage
750 (830) Rounds Per Minute
25 Round Magazine Capacity
2.5 (1.7) Reload Speed
Bayonet? Yes

This is the AVT-40, but with both a rate of fire and magazine capacity buff. The recoil would be changed to compare with the current FG 42-2, resulting in a great all-rounder with a high skill ceiling.

Allies

M2 Carbine

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7.3 (8.8) Damage
750 (830) Rounds Per Minute
30 Round Magazine Capacity
2.8 (2.3) Reload Speed
Bayonet? Yes

M2 Carbine remains unchanged. Essentially an Assaulter weapon that can be used by Riflemen.

T20

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12.7 (15.3) Damage
500 (550) Rounds Per Minute
20 Round Magazine Capacity
2.3 (2.3) Reload Speed
Bayonet? Yes

The T20 in-game currently has a much higher rate of fire than it actually had historically. The rate of fire would be reduced, but the recoil and dispersion would be improved dramatically. In an ideal world, Darkflow would offer a full silver refund for selling this weapon with the changes made, so people can replace it with the T20E2 if desired.

T20E2

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12.7 (15.3) Damage
700 (770) Rounds Per Minute
20 Round Magazine Capacity
2.3 (2.3) Reload Speed
Bayonet? Yes

Essentially the side-grade to the current T20, with a slight rate of fire bonus! It would have all of the other stats of the current T20.

Winchester M1 Experimental

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12.7 (15.3) Damage
950 (1050) Rounds Per Minute
20 Round Magazine Capacity
2.3 (2.3) Reload Speed
Bayonet? No

Winchester’s first foray into fully-automatic Garand conversions. The weapon had a dizzying 950 RPM cyclic rate without a recoil compensator, resulting in uncontrollable recoil. This would be true in-game as well, with 2-3 round bursts being the only real option beyond close range combat.

Axis

G.43-41(W) Selbstlader

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12.7 (15.3) Damage
500 (550) Rounds Per Minute
25 Round Magazine Capacity
2.3 (1.9) Reload Speed
Bayonet? Yes

A select-fire G.41 and G.43 hybrid, this weapon would feel very comparable to the G.43 Kurz Gold Order weapon, but with more damage and slightly more recoil.

G.43(W) Selbstlader

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12.7 (15.3) Damage
840 (920) Rounds Per Minute
25 Round Magazine Capacity
2.3 (1.9) Reload Speed
Bayonet? No

A weapon that was trialed against the FG-42 before it’s adoption, it boasts a 25 round magazine and a high rate of fire, but no bayonet and above average recoil.

FG.42/I

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12.7 (15.3) Damage
840 (920) Rounds Per Minute
20 Round Magazine Capacity
2.6 (2.2) Reload Speed
Bayonet? Yes

The FG.42/I gets a buff to it’s rate of fire, damage, and the use of a bayonet. It would be very comparable to the AVS-36 in it’s new form, but with slightly worse recoil and a longer reload speed.

FG.42/II

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12.7 (15.3) Damage
600 (660) Rounds Per Minute
20 Round Magazine Capacity
2.6 (2.2) Reload Speed
Bayonet? Yes

The late FG.42 has it’s rate of fire reduced to historical levels, but gets improvements to recoil and dispersion. Performance will be similar to Federov M1926.

Japan

Type 17

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11.6 (13.9) Damage
500 (550) Rounds Per Minute
20 Round Magazine Capacity
2.4 (2.0) Reload Speed
Bayonet? No

An experimental variant of the Type 11 MG, modified to feed from box magazines in 1928 (Taishō year 17). It’s the weakest weapon in this suggestion on paper, but would have Gewehr 43 Kurz levels of recoil. Some indirect sources claim the box magazine has capacity for 35 rounds, but I am highly suspicious of this.

Type Hei Automatic

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11.6 (13.9) Damage
720 (790) Rounds Per Minute
30 Round Magazine Capacity
3.1 (2.7) Reload Speed
Bayonet? Yes

No changes to this weapon.

** Experimental Type 1 Model I LMG**

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12.7 (15.3) Damage
800 (880) Rounds Per Minute
30 Round Magazine Capacity
3.0 (2.6) Reload Speed
Bayonet? No

An experimental variant of the Type 99 LMG, with quicker disassembly for paratrooper use. It was a part of the Type 1 LMG trials. It has high damage, high rate of fire, and high magazine capacity, but has a slow ADS speed, reload, and high recoil and dispersion.

Experimental Type 1 Model 3 LMG

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12.7 (15.3) Damage
600 (660) Rounds Per Minute
30 Round Magazine Capacity
2.4 Reload Speed
Bayonet? No

A trials weapon, supposedly combining elements of the other Type 1 LMG trials weapons into one weapon. It is a Hotchkiss-belt type feed (like Hotchkiss M1922 in-game) weapon.

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i agree

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fully agree

Why can’t we just give all the br3 and br4 lmgs with 20-25 rounds like the bar (and other guns inspired by it like the polish bar and fn 1930) and the Johnson a second br. Their original br for the machine gunners but if you want to equip them to standard riflemen, then bump that same said gun to br5?

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WTF? This literally translates to 25 rounds.

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The USSR currently has big problems with the light machine gun on the 2 BR, and it would be a much better idea to add the Simonov light machine gun specifically as a machine gun, considering that as an automatic rifle it will be weak due to its very low rate of fire.

The rifle could use 5, 10 and 20 round magazines, and also had two bayonet options.
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That’s not true, the version in your photo is a version with a movable barrel chambered for 6.5 mm.

The 7.62x54mmR version can be identified by the presence of notches on the forestock.
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In fact, it is known that early versions could use 20-round magazines, as indicated in early instructions for the rifle.

LOL, someone has already answered for me:

Although I add that the AVT 40 had a large number of experimental magazines with increased capacity.

It’s strange that there is no M1 Garand from Winchester here with a rate of fire of 955 rounds per minute.

These are all light machine guns, but definitely not automatic rifles.

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I appreciate your enthusiasm. Your posts were some of many that inspired me! I’ll try my best to respond to your posts in order, in point form:

  • For a BR 2 Machine gun alternative to the Madsen, why not one of the DP-27 variants with either the top-mounted magazine, or the hopper feed copied from the Type 11? And yes, it will have a lower skill ceiling due to it’s lower rate of fire, but there are comparable options for the other nations too (G.43/41 Selbstlader, T20, Type 17). The point of them is to be like G.43 Kurz, with low fire rate but minimal recoil and dispersion.

  • If the Fedorov I have posted is incorrect, I apologize. The placard in the photo claims it’s chambered in 7.62mm and looks like the ones you’ve posted (which is where I learned about it). If it only has up to 20 round magazines, that’s also good to know!

  • AVT-40 definitely had a few options, I’m aware of the 20 round ones, and this 25 round magazine in particular.

  • I do have the Winchester M1 Garand conversion, though I have it at 950 RPM base. I called it “Winchester M1 Experimental”.

  • Yes, those are all technically light machine guns for Japan, Type Hei Automatic included. I couldn’t find better options, and I wanted to make sure Japan had at least one 7.7mm option, to have 15.3 base damage. If you know of better alternatives, please let me know!

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Oh, sorry, I don’t know why I didn’t notice her.

I think the RPS 3 or RPS 6 would be the best to add to the upgrade tree, it was the closest to being adopted, 300 of these machine guns were ordered, although the order was never fulfilled. But that’s just my opinion.

Yes, I apologize once again, this is indeed a version chambered for 7.62x54mmR, and with the same automatics as the Fedorov assault rifle. The version I posted in the comment above already has a gas-operated automatics. Both versions use 7.62x54mmR cartridges. By the way, the bayonet could be used as a support during shooting.
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Unfortunately, I don’t know about such a weapon :disappointed_relieved:.

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Variety would definitely be welcome, but some of the weapons suggested have monstrous fire rate and very large magazine capacity.
In my opinion tech tree SF rifles under no conditions should get magazines larger than 20 rounds and DPS higher than the current FG42 or Type Hei auto, both which already heavily outclass BR4 weapons.

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By the way, the USSR had a huge number of experimental automatic rifles that preceded the ABC 36 and AVT 40, but I can’t fit everything into one topic, let alone a message. So I’ll post the most interesting ones.

Conversion of the Mosin rifle to automatic by Tokarev:


Early Simonov automatic rifle with 25-round magazine:

Tokarev automatic rifle 1930 with the possibility of mounting a Dyakonov grenade launcher and optics:


Yasnikov’s automatic rifle based on Mannlicher:




Tokarev automatic rifle with a non-removable magazine for 10 rounds:

And the Finnish modification of the Tokarev automatic rifle to use magazines from the LS/26 machine gun:

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These are awesome! Thanks for sharing.

Not to nitpick, but does “automatic” for these rifles mean they are all fully automatic? I assume “automatic” for some of these just means semi-automatic?

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I welcome any improvements and supplements to the technology tree. It’s not difficult to let DF discover them, but it’s really challenging to actually add them into the game!

I understand that the 5-round Mosin automatic rifle sounds a bit weird and crazy, as does the Mannlicher automatic rifle, but they are fully automatic, so during testing the fighters complained that the Yasnikov rifle was difficult to fire, and the Mosin automatic rifles would later have a fire selector.

P. S.
In addition, Ruslan Chumak (the author of the book from which the photographs of the Mosin automatic rifle were taken) distinguishes between automatic and semi-automatic rifles in the title and captions.

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the 25-30 rounds ones could perfectly fit (if only there was a br 6)

In addition to the topic, we can recall the automatic M1 Garand and ZH 29.

There are also quite a few new products for Germany in the chin, I think this can be compensated by Italian developments.

Scotti Naval rifle.
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Cei-Rigotti.
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