I would use it, looks like fun. I love using planes that can pen tanks from the top. With APHE ammo it looks like it might be effective at filling that role.
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Yeah if you can hit something with it it will do the deed…
oof. Likes like it only has AP. thats a pitty.
Usefulness is up to the beholder of the tools they’re given. Such a plane has the capacity to disable/destroy pretty much any vehicle with some skill.
This and a D4Y with more bombs can happily coexist.
Darn, I didn’t look into it very closely. I think the post mentioned that the plane had APHE that could be used but if not then thats a pity.
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It could use a mix of AP-T and HEFI-T, though if we went with just AP-T it’d definitely deal some serious damage against armour with around 80mm of pen and the HEFI-T could splash infantry reasonably well.
Though since info is a bit sparse as with anything Japanese, APHE isn’t entirely impossible either as an ammo type, as the 75mm Type 88 AA gun used in the plane did have APHE developed for it at the appropriate case proportions of 19 9/16 inches.
Not entirely sure what source War thunder has drawn from, but from what I’ve been able to find about the appropriate ammunition used (Type 95 - 7-cm (75-mm) projectile) it tells me it’s not impossible!
Ill just chuck in that I really dont like mixed belts, Especially on this gun that is a low rate of fire. Personally I would want it to do one thing or the other reliably.
The BF110 C-6 Used to be all HVAP or APIT, but they changed it to AP-HE…Cant really decide what it wants to do
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I’m sure if the Devs ever decided to add such a plane I’m hopeful they’ll just go with whatever option feels and performs the best and most reliably at the end of the day. I’ll leave that one for them, but in terms of possibilities that’s what we have. AP-T, HEFI-T and feasibly a APHE.
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just as an extra, I think the Ki-102 could be a solid heavy fighter with great intercepting and HE ground strafing capability. (spoken as someone that owns the g-10 premium…30 mm HE strafing is strong)
The Ki-102 otsu is armed with:
- 1 x 57 mm Ho-401 cannon, nose-mounted (16 rpg)
- 2 x 20 mm Ho-5 cannons, chin-mounted (200 rpg = 400 total)
Apparantly the Ki-102 c could also carry additional bombs (2x250kg) and a 30mm. Warthunder hasnt put this in
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Wow, now that is a beautiful plane, I wouldn’t mind seeing this be added in the slightest. Beautiful suggestion thank you.
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The AP has 400+ gm HE in it…
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it does to. well then
Im just used to it being Called APHE if it has he filler and AP without
obviously thats not always the case
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That’s interesting that War thunder categorises it as “AP” since the round with 460~ grams of HE filler is categorised as APHE and it’s coloured bands on the shell indicate it as HE as opposed to AP.
Referencing the Japanese Explosive Ordnance – Army Ammunition Navy Ammunition Chapter 4 – Section 1
The AP shell only has 170~ grams of HE filler
Edit: Upon closer inspection the specific AP shell wasn’t used in the relevant AA gun either, it was used in the type 94 tank gun and appeared to be made in only one case length.
Though it’s not impossible there may have been an AP shell made to the appropriate dimensions, though unlikely considering it was designed to take down B29s. Additionally I’ve not seen an AP shell made to 75mm like the APHE.
So I believe War thunder has mislabeled the APHE-T as AP-T
Wiki gives the source of it being used as an AT gun on Iwo Jima as:
War Department Special Series No. 25 Japanese Field Artillery October 1944
but I don’t see any reference to the gun using AP there - the gun is listed on page 37, and 75mm ammo is on page 86 - you have to manually scroll the pages.
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Appears to be mostly designations of HE and APHE rounds within the 75mm category on that ammunition chart. I think it’s safe to assume that the listing of “AP” in war thunder isn’t entirely correct and it should certainly be APHE as that would corroborate with the source you provided and the one I provided from the
" Japanese Explosive Ordnance – Army Ammunition – Navy Ammunition
Chapter 4 – Section 1
ARMY PROJECTILES "
Hell no! This thing would be useless. If you want attackers here are some good options:
Ki-45
Take your pick of this litter. There are many variants with good 37mm cannons but as far as I know there is only one with a good cannon and bombs.
The Ki-45 Tei
Armed with a 37mm auto cannon and 2×250kg bombs. It also has two 20mm in an oblique firing position, maybe good for taking out bomber formations.
Ki-102 Otsu
It’s got great Armament:
1×57mm auto cannon and 2×20mm cannons offensive.
1×12.7mm defensive armament.
Bombs potentially include 4×100kg, 2×250kg, or 1×500kg or 800kg bombs.
It also has plenty of armor.
I know in WT it is classified as an Interceptor but that is a mistake and there are many bug reports on it.
Ki-93-I Ko “Rikugun”
This thing is great, real fast real mean. Armed again with the 57mm and twin 20mm combo but unfortunately no bombs.
Ki-93-I Otsu
This is the closest viable thing to your original suggestion but even better. It was never put together but it was a planned second version of the Rikugun.
Armed only with a 75mm(the same gun as the Ki-109’s irrc) and 2×250kg bombs and defended by a 12.7mm in the rear cockpit. Its main job was anti-shipping so it was truly meant for surface/ground attack.
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These are all really great suggestions honestly I think out of the lot I’d really like to see the Ki-102 Otsu or any of the two ‘Rikugun’ options.
Honestly at the end of the day I would just love to see Japan receive a fighter/interceptor with a high calibre gun that can delete tanks with a well placed shots or few.
As yall figgured out allready, its APHE. The Wiki cant be taken for 100% as its not by Gaijin, but the player base.
Also The High caliber Ammo that is shared with ground units, is allways incorrectly named. Why idk, but the same is for the 5 cm Pzgr.39, which is APC and also only AP-T on the Me 410 /U4
Also id love to see the Me 410 B-2/U4, as the Bk 5 is the (IMO) Greates Aircraft gun, only second to the Mk 214a. With a good share of ammo, high efficiency all while beeing a small modular package. (And most simply a 5 cm KwK 39/1 L/60 with a Electro Hydraulic Auto loader.)
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There was also an experimental plane with the High velocity 5,7 cm Gun, similar to the BK 5. That would also be of interest i suppose.
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Ahh that makes much more sense now as to why it was mislabeled, thanks for clearing that up.