That’s not true for the tank munitions they were using though. For tank combat, germany always favored high powered kinetic penetrators with long range.
Yes, which is why they added the long 75mm for the Pz4. But until then, they had to do with what they had, and the HEAT round worked better than most stuff they had at the time.
They had the 88 at the time, and that worked better than low velocity heat…
I’m talking tank-on-tank.
Yes, the 88 was better, but it was not yet on a tank at the time
And tank on tank was irrelevant at the time, and the Germans avoided it whenever possible.
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Not as much as you make it out to be. If they ran into enemy tanks, they would not retreat
Sure if they knew positions of tanks in advance they wouldn’t engage as the blitzkrieg prioritized cutting supply lines etc.
Besides, I think we are getting a bit off topic as it doesn’t change the fact that tank-on-tank engagements are very much relevant ingame rn.
If they are relevant in game right now, the goal should be to figure out how to make them less relevant, instead of trying to somehow balance them as that’s just going to ruin immersion and realism.
Most people favor the combined armes aspect of the game
And that’s a good thing. Under combined arms, tanks are not primarily meant to engage tanks. At least not during this period. And with the amount of options in this game, there ought to be a way to figure this out.
Well they are currently the main way of engaging tanks as AT-guns are simply not viable, AT-rifles dont deal enough damage and explosive packs lack the range if they are in a field or supported by infantry
That is, if used properly.
Explosive packs nuke any tankers that dont get support
And the main issue is that we dont have weapons that can deal with T-34 of KV-1
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So, this is an issue of AT guns not being all that usefull right now. But I personally think that this is one of those issues that will resolve itself once the large maps become accessible. Getting rid of the supporting infantry with artillery or mortars, and then assaulting the tanks had on is what was historically done by many armies, after all. and once the maps are large enough, that tactic will be viable as infantry will have quite a long way to hike from spawn.
Well making them towable behind trucks, or truck mounted, would help.
Or add light tank destroyers like the marder? But even those would struggle with something as armored as a KV-1.
I personally think T-28 and Pz4C/D with short 76/75mm guns with HE would bring a much more interesting dynamic to the current state of the game.
For the information of all in this topic, it was confirmed long, long ago (like the start of CBT) that we would be getting lots more weapons and vehicles for Moscow upon OBT, suggestions are, of course welcome, but arguing over what is in game now is kinda pointless.
You can see for yourself in the CBT Roadmap on the Website.
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Well they are relevant when considering new vehicles.
If you add a vehicle in one side that the other side has no counterpart of, such as the KV-1, that would throw the balance off by a large ammount. The Germans literally have no possible vehicle that could counter it.
For balance you can push the Pz IVs with the new gun into the game, they started getting them in spring 1942, which is barely within the range, but a perfectly acceptable compromise. You could also add better AT guns etc.
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Moscow as we got it rn is up to 1941, sadly. It would be a great tank but I can’t accept that just like how I can’t accept the Pz3B as it was delegated to the training squads by the time moscow started.
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I agree with you, T-cat always ignores the fact that this game has so much more than just tank vs tank combat so adding t-34 won’t be a big Problem. Now for the second part, you are a bit wrong, tank to tank combat was very common and even if they say: “infantry is every tank’s worst enemy”, thousands of tanks in ww2 were destroyed by an another tank. German tanks in 1941 were designed to outmatch t-26’s and BT-7’s. Germans had little to no clue about t-34 and KV-1. Those 2 tanks were way ahead of their time and made germany a run for their money. A lot of german tanks had to receive better guns in 1942 and in 1943 they also received more armor. Did you know that panther tank was actually made by copying t-34 design characteristics
You are countradicting yourself
It’s more than tank vs tank so it’s fine
But tank vs tank is very important
and Germany had no clue about them so their tanks are given a run for their money
They needed better guns to defeat them, so they are not fine
Yes, I do know Panther was based on T-34.
I’m not wrong on that one. What you’re saying is one of the myths of Tank combat during the second world war. Germany, as it was prohibited from building tanks for a long time, specifically developed their Anti Tank doctrine to work without tanks. And until late 1942, tanks were not supposed to engage tanks unless absolutely necessary and/or in self defense:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/26004471?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
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I’m not reading all this new shit- how does any of it pertain to what tanks should be added to the game?