The Battle of Sicily, beginning in July 1943, was the first large-scale land invasion of Europe by substantial U.S. forces, though smaller groups of American soldiers participated in the 1942 Dieppe Raid and some reconnaissance units may have been on European soil earlier in the war. U.S. ground forces’ initial combat experience was in the North African campaign, prior to the Italy campaign which included Sicily.
wow you must hate the italians
well thats 1939 - 1942
Kiraly 1939 BR1
Mp38/40 BR1
Mg34 / 42 BR 1 & 2
sounds about right vs springfields, lee-enfields and brens.
Quite sure thats when they joined combat in europe.
Well you can use springfields in pacific too if that sounds more appealing.
Except this was historical suggestion.
Theres nothing historical about murrica being in BR of 1939.
And currently ingame its even less like that.
Looks like BR3-4 ? Arguably BR4 as Mp43 kinda fits that timeline.
Unfortunately we just dont have the italy maps.
which would make murrica limited to fighting germany in br 3 4 5
funny japan limited to br 1 2
while the us/allies cant fight germany in br 1 2 cause it was not in the war and lack br 1 2 weapons
again murrica can only fight in brs it fought the war in ‘history’
meaning old br 1 2 gear would just be thrown out but also that almost all small arms would be br3
only planes and tanks would mainly fit in br 4 5 and a few guns
sounds historical and fair garand vs mp43 etc.
Well, thats history.
Quite sure brits were in dunkirk.
Plenty of lee-enfields & brens to use.
Just need a proper map for it & as well as italy maps.
Well brits are in murrican tree.
Well not necessarily, marines used springfields quite alot in early pacific.
ok so it would be a fixed system
playing europe/africa br 1 2 you would be limited to the uk
The first major engagement involving U.S. soldiers in the North African theater of World War II was the Allied invasion of French North Africa, codenamed Operation Torch, beginning on November 8, 1942. While this was the start of their major involvement in the region, the first large-scale battle against experienced German forces occurred during the subsequent Tunisian Campaign, notably at the Battle of Kasserine Pass in February 1943.
UK joining the pacific in 1942 would be limited to br 3 4 5 so not in the pacific. as brs are determined when the country joined the theater not weapon dates or date of joining the war.
Malayan campaign
Date 8 December 1941 – 15 February 1942 (2 months, and 8 days) British declaration of war on Japan - Wikipedia
sorry but this system is shite brs begin when german ‘started ww2’ but each factions weapons ARE PLACE BASEd ON WHEN THEY JOINED THAT WW2 THEAER. in that case i think ‘ww2’ should start earlier than 1939 as i consider other a part of it if us joins the war in europe in 1943. how about the ussr who joined in the invasion of poland allowing any weapon in use at that time to be br1.
so a lot of gear for ussr would be br1
pacific
us 1941
uk 1943
december 1942 rounding up
ussr 1944
europe
germany 1939
ussr 1939
uk 1939
us 1943
africa
us 1942
italy 1939
uk 1941
ger 1941
I think latest soviet vs japan event might have something with it, maybe devs also planning to do some kind “historical” game modes, with historical setups? I dunno, either way I would like to play historical game even if its kar98 vs ppsh1 Tiger vs t34
Thats historical authentic as topic suggests.
Doesnt really sound very historical.
Well USSR invaded winland ~1939.
Then 9 out of ten players of enlisted don’t want you’re authentic
How about authentic loadouta than
Year by year what was the average soldier using
Not just was xyz weapon available but how was the average squad armed
So like for most of the war
Japan and Germany using bolties and smgs with mgs and sa sprinkled in
All brs Germany gets karabinev98k br 12345
UK/us br 12 gets gets lee no4ki1
US/UK 345 gets garand
Given that 13 mil army and only 100k 41s and 400k 43s
Compared to 3 million garands and 6 mil carbines
Br1 39-41 16 months
Br2 41-42 1/2 16 months
Br3 42-43
Br4 43-44
Br5 44+
nor 10 out 10 dont want this
And no, historically authentic mod wont come from devs. Maybe someday once they grant proper modding tools.
I was just pissing on your blatantly obvious murrican bias and the historical bending in your biased favor.
And I’m playing on you German weeaboo
Do I think the garand should be br2 no
Do I think the fg42 should be an infantry rifle no
An authentic ww2 game would
Have no select fire rifles
Be limited to the sg44 for assault rifles
Would not give German RPGs to anyone
Would remove the tiger h and super Pershing
Would limit tiger 2 and 1s they were rare weapons
Would limit semi autos of Germany and Japan
I am giving USSR the side eye but untill proven otherwise
The US was the only country in ww2 to standardize semi auto at any point in the war
LMG would be the only hip shoulder fire mgs
Give German big mags but force the to operate prone
I could say more but it risk becoming too and did
No one wants to fight ww2
They want something between cod and hll
Well played, without that console tag I wouldnt really know are you just genuinely stupid or playing very well.
If you believe the br should be set by the year the faction joined and not by the year the gun was issued
I assume you have brown eyes because you are not half full but fully full of shit
Topic, historical and authentic mod.
MuRiCA sHOulD haVE gAraND BR1 eVeN it wAsNt evEn fIghTinG in 1939.
Well I guess we figured out you really wasnt playing out.
Balancing brs should be based on the weapon
Either an arbitrary number based on stats or temporarily
In degree of escalation
First issued to soldiers
First issued to soldiers of that faction
First used in combat
Not only limiting it to WW2 first use
But first use in Europe is childish
It heavily favors Germany who heavily relied on stolen weapons and tech
Yeah the US dealered war on Germany two years after the war in Europe started
The uk declared war on Japan one year after the US
Russia allied itself with German it was a messy war
It does not detract from the fact that the garand was issued in 1936 while the first semi auto was issued to Germany in 1940
Not that Germany issued mal the karabiner 98k as the main service rifle while the US issued the garand
US was more industrially developed than German
Germany built better but more complex tanks
It’s the definition of apples vs oranges
And either limit the uk/US in Europe/Africa to mid to late war or give it the tools it would have had
That’s the issue before the US arrived Germany was on a streak
Before USSR turned the tide Germany was winning
An accurate, historical ww2 game would not be balanced
Br,1,2 nothing but German domination
3 the only be worth playing
Before br4,5 in which Germany is now getting rolled
No one want to play a game where the are either always winning or always loosing
Germany had great tech but could not produce it in quantities to win the war
Again bolt actions start to finish
They tried to leap from semi autos as such Germans were limited to bot actions
Focused on heavy tanks instead of the panther
Invaded Poland mostly using horses for logistics
No one wants to play ww2 they want to play saving private ryan
for all I care you can use it tunisia as those maps exists.
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well I guess it just sucks to be murrican, cant blame germans for going high tech while murrica went backwards.
And you think garand,tommy & bar in 1939 isnt exactly definition of that ?
You really aint playing dumdum arent you ?
I’m countering bs with bs
The fg42 yeah that should be a tech tree infantry rifle at br5 while most Germans are armed with the karabiner 98k
But the t20 needed to balance against the fg42 limited production paratrooper weapon thats fake
Again if we want a historical ww2 game I want a historical ww2 game not a weeaboo wank
except the garand,tommy&bar at BR1 1939 was your first suggestion.
In what history did murrica land europe 1939
Its not like you just get to pick what suits your bias.
Anyway, I guess its rather pointless to argue about this matter since clearly you arent very familiar with history.
So lets just end it there.
lets stop making assumptions show me what you think a historical lineup would be like for us/uk vs germany/italy europe/africa
ww2 has been broken into two theaters since ww2
europe/africa and asia
secondly no one wants to play a game where they can platy half the brs
if you remove us from early brs 1 2 you remove uk from latter brs
sorry but the uk lacked a sa meaning
if you give german sa in latter br uk cant fight them (no you cant give the uk garands the had thompsons not garands) if you make it accurate and limit german sa rifle us would dominate.
no one is trying to act like the us was in the war from the start
but acting like germany had sa rifles in any but elite units is just as delusional as us being part of the war from the start.
I maybe dont Agree
Br,1,2 nothing but German domination
3 the only be worth playing
Before br4,5 in which Germany is now getting rolled
In 1940 the Battle of France the Allies hade Matilda Tanks and some French Tanks hade more Fighting Power then the German Tanks!
For Example if you even go to Late war with Japan !
USA Vs Japan Late WW2
Infantry Weapons Usa Edge over Japan
Tanks USA wins tottally over Japan!
If we talk about that tanks that saw really combat in WW2!
If you Compare Planes the best to the best used , maybe relativ close?
But still you could give the Japanese the Map advantage, if the Allies have to Storm fortification the 2 first advantages are maybe strongly reduced!
And i thought even if its one sided i would give the handicaped (Underdog )side a higher game reward!
And maybe i would give the Underdog side if it wins , maybe Medals to the Players and even higher rewards!