“Tanks that could not be sent to frontline were not losses”
“Those tanks were losses”
Its almost like you dont even know what you are saying anymore.
fine option a the germany army made 400k stg44 but only received about half in the hands of front line soldiers
option b the german army made 800k stg44 and recieved 400k of them in the hands of front line soldiers
it does not matter if they were stuck at a depot the germany army did not make use of 1000 of 2000 tanks produced in a war fighting capacity, they did not shoot there guns drive them around. they could have scrapped them for parts or used them as paperweights.
because if they did not receive and use half of 2000 tanks sent i doubt they received all the stg44 they made. by ever they mean that by the surrender of germany the army had yet to receive them. i may not be using the words you would like but the meaning is constant, much of the war material produced one war or another was never used and never got into the hands of a german soldier.
well actually Mp43 that if I recall was also regarded as stg44 began around 1943 as the 43 hints.
Anyway, the peak production was -44 over 300k made.
And we know GE lost significant amount of its hauling capacity in last months of war, as your ~40% suggests.
So you do understand that they did not wait to hit the mark of 500k guns made before sending them to frontline ?
So your 1+1 crayon math doesnt exactly work here.
There is a minor differency between Stg44 that weights about 6kg
And a tank that weights 25t and more.
One can be hauled by trucks or even carried and one really cant.
Guess which one is which.
yes but almost all logistics in german at one point or another traveled by train. just like in the us factory to train to ship to truck, cut out the ships and you have german logistics in ww1 and ww2. you also have to add the bullets, the magazines, the soldiers the food, the clothing ect ect ect. otherwise you end up with 400k stg44 no soldiers no ammo no spare magazines. i can also point out the use of volstrum and there weapons by the end of the war. the germans would have had to make arm and loose nearly 400k stg44 in only a year.
And ? It means from 10 tanks supposed to be sent only 6 could be sent.
And that is the last months of war. Not the entire time from 1943 onwards.
Which also at that late stage of war probably could move by either on foot or by trucks.
Well they kinda did, irony is that GE production actually increased towards end of the war.
again not in germany not in any country germany could not replace the tanks planes and trucks it was loosing much less replace rail with trucks. at the start and by the end of the war it would have been on foot and by horse.
40 percent was the peak of late 1944 not the start it did not start at 0 in aug 1944 and hit 40 percent the next month. germany was taking losses at the factories, at rail hubs and other locations all war long.
During World War II, Germany relied heavily on trains for its military logistics, particularly for moving troops and heavy equipment across long distances. This was necessary because German military forces were not fully motorized, and Germany had limited fuel supplies compared to the Allies.
Reasons for reliance
- Limited fuel for motorized transport: Germany faced chronic fuel shortages throughout the war. By contrast, most German locomotives were steam-powered and ran on coal, which was plentiful domestically. This made rail transport more sustainable for moving large volumes of supplies and personnel than relying on fuel-hungry trucks.
- Scale of transportation: A single German freight train could carry hundreds of tons of cargo, a capacity equivalent to hundreds of transport aircraft. For mass movements of troops and heavy equipment like tanks and artillery, rail was the only viable option.
- Incomplete motorization: Despite their advanced “Blitzkrieg” tactics, a large portion of the German army, especially the infantry, relied on horses for transportation once they were away from railway lines. This made the railways the primary logistical link for moving supplies from Germany and rear areas to the field armies.
so with what logic you are suggesting a production number 500k from 1943 to 1945 and decrease 40% when in fact the 40% hauling capacity loss was at the final stages of war.
Like really ?
no that in say 1943 it was already degraded by say 20 percent
the us did not go from a fragrant fart to knocking down 40% percent of germanies logistics
two germany was producing stg44s and fg42 2s from the start of production until surrender
Which is ahem, railroad hauling capacity.
Which neither stg or FG requires, you can actually do move them by other means too.
And regardless, even if we now pretend that 20% or 40% of everything never got anywhere.
It would mean over 260k stg / MP43 would make the trip and at 1945 60k would make it.
thats about 320k.
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define historical accurate in terms of balance because a
a garand would be br2 a gw41 would be b3 a gw43 would be br4 along with the fg42. the bar and thompson would be br1 while the mg43 would be br3.
br1 ww1 weapons
br2 interwar weapons
br3 early war weapons 39-41
br4 middle war 41-43
br5 44+
germany would dominate br4 5 and tie in 3 but get hosed in br1 and 2
and no mix and match going but odf course the bar and garand are br3
not in a historically authentic game, yeah germany had the fg42 and stg44 but us had most of its iconic weapons for decades.
the other option is go by the start of the war
39 br1 thompson bar garand
41 br2 gw41
43 br3 gw43
44 br4
45 br5
id love to see a br1 garand
The United States formally joined World War II on December 8, 1941, after Congress declared war on Japan the day after the attack on Pearl Harbor
no really, my point is you can start the br scale by when the weapons where produce or when the war started. still the effect would be the same if the br scale begins in 1941 for the us br1. it would not put the gw41 and garand in the same br. you dont get to start the scale in 1939 for germany then make the garand br3 and claim it historically accurate. no government marks their weapon by the first year it was used in combat but the first date it was issued to soldier or accepted into service.
except thats actually historically accurated.
Perhaps US should have joined sooner, they didnt.
ok if the garand produced in 1936 and issued in 1937 is br3 the gw41 would be br4 and the gw43 would be br5 thats historically accurate. that would also still put the bar and early thompsons in br1 or 2.
Br 4-5 actually since it was first used in europe 1944.
Quite decent counter to Mp43
Br3 sounds about right, thats around the middle of of war.
Except murrica joined the fight 1944 in europe so BR4 or 5.
But meanwhile you can use british lee-enfields and brens that actually were used before that.
The U.S. first fought in Africa as part of Operation Torch on November 8, 1942, with Allied landings in French Morocco and Algeria during World War II. While the initial goal was to seize key ports and divert Axis forces, this operation marked the first large-scale involvement of U.S. troops in the North African theater. The campaign continued with battles like the Battle of Kasserine Pass, which saw the U.S. face its first major defeat against German forces in February 1943.
so then america can only fight in br4 5 because thats when murrica joined so murrica cant fight in any battles it was not part of. leaving germany to only fight ussr in br 1 2 3. as murrica is not a shrodingers cat itys either fighting the war or its not. it participation begins when it brs begin.
So this is BR3 ?
Well, its historical.
But BR1-2 can be dunkirk regarding western allies for all I care so theres plenty of lee-enfields and brens to use.
and the german were have ton of bolt action rifles if thats when you want to lay br 1 2. but in the current system us and uk fight together and again us can only fight in maps that are in years after there br tech tree starts. so if the us tech tree starts in 1944 for europe thats the brs they can fight in. so if for germany and italy 1944 is br 4 5 then america and its gear all br 4 5 can only fight in br 4 5 sorry no having america using low level british weapons in br 1 2 3.
again br techtree do not start when a faction a enters the war, b enters a theater of war. history starts when they start issuing the weapon to there soldiers.
The Battle of Sicily, beginning in July 1943, was the first large-scale land invasion of Europe by substantial U.S. forces, though smaller groups of American soldiers participated in the 1942 Dieppe Raid and some reconnaissance units may have been on European soil earlier in the war. U.S. ground forces’ initial combat experience was in the North African campaign, prior to the Italy campaign which included Sicily.
wow you must hate the italians