Make Planes Great Again #MPGA 🧑‍✈️ (yes I know I could have used aircrafts not planes)

Well since Jets where introduced its time for one big plane overall for all factions since the planes between BR III and BR IV are a mess and for some reason in Enlisted Planes in war thunder that are on the Same BR as Shermans and Churchills here are one BR higher specially for Japan this is important. That’s why there is no Japan beyond BR II and even there it struggles.

There is also big gap between Jet fighters and the rest specially against ground targets this planes bombs and armament are BR V while other planes are put with BR IV armament in BR V its time to change that lets start with the factions one by one and change the BR of some planes so not everything is stacked on BR V…

US :us:

BR I Changes:

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The FP 3 is not a bad plane but really its a BR I plane its not a BR II plane at all. So we move this plane to BR I.

BR II Changes:

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P 38E BR II for what reason this plane is BR III while a ground attacker version of this exact plane with minor changes and rockets is BR II I have no idea so we move it to BR II where it belongs.

BR III Changes:

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I have noticed that Soviet Planes for some reason are a bit overtired while Allies planes are having better planes on even lower tiers so how crazy plane like Spitfire Mk Vc/trop is BR II while plane like Yak-3 is BR III no if Yak - 3 is BR III so is Spitfire Mk Vc/Trop so we move the Spitfire Mk Vc/Trop to BR III it can be given Bomb or 2 - 4 RP-3 rockets as compensation.

BR IV Changes:

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We return AP-4C to BR IV at BR V the competition is too big for this carrier plane to be used its a perfect BR IV plane for Allies.

Japan: :jp:

BR II Changes:

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A6M3 is just a normal Zero with one flame tank and 80 ammo more its too small benefit to be BR III considering at BR III Japan is facing Shermans and Churchills using 2 x 50 kg bombs against them is useless since a little move can save you from them all you need to do to doge them even if they are dropped exactly on the top of your tank is move and not to be complete camper. So planes with just 2x50 kg bombs don’t belong in BR III…its a BR II plane.
A6M3 BR II

BR III Changes:

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The premium and the normal Ki 61 are very similar to Ki-100 and are BR III planes since Japanese tanks at this BR are pure trash. They lack MGs, they lack armor , they lack firepower they are much weaker then the allies so if Allies have stronger tanks Japan will have good planes to compensate for that. The Ground - Attacker is also very lack luster plane its the worst BR III ground attacker in the game. And the Ki-100 can get its bombs reduced to 100 kgs instead of 250 kg bombs.


So we replace the bombs on Ki-100 with 100 kg bombs instead of 250kg and we leave the 250 kg bombs for BR V.

BR IV Changes:

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J2M3 we move this plane to BR IV since it has only 2 rockets it may be good plane but its lack of good ground attacker capabilities compared to the allies holly Moses rockets and SUPER BIG BOMBS really are no match.

N1K2 Ja same reason its excellent plane but it has not comparable weapons for BR V Fighter so we move it to BR IV.

BR V Changes:

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Well yes Kikka should be moved to Ground attacker that’s the only realistic BR V ground attacker for Japan right now BR V is dead the slots for planes are taken all the time and no one is using ground attacker class … Moving the Kikka to ground attacker will improve Japanese experience in higher BR.

USSR: :vietnam: (devs really put USSR flag)

BR III:

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P-63A-10 is a BR III plane it should not be fighting Jets unless you get some lucky hit by your 37 mm cannons the Speed of Jabo makes the 37 mm useless against it. If you play against USSR and you use Jabo its doesn’t matter what you are doing just dont slow down and dont go low altitude its that simple and you will never be hit by the 37 mm. and the 4 mgs on the plane are not enough to take the Jabo so against jets this plane is very … very bad. This is probably the plane that got ruined the most with the Jet update.

BR IV:

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IL - 10 really has the payload of a BR V fighter and yet is a ground attacker at BR V its really a solid BR IV Ground Attacker so it should be moved to BR IV.

La-7 just like many other things USSR Fighters are up tired and the La is no exception the G 55 is almost the similar plane and it has 100 kg bombs planes with 100 kg bombs should not be at BR V. BR V Fighters should be having bigger bombs then that so I suggest moving La-7 to BR IV.

Germany :de: (here also you may give some more authentic flag with Iron cross inside it doesn’t need to have the windmill.):

BR III:

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We give this plane 1 x 250 kg bomb its BR III at BR III planes should be getting bigger bombs not 50 kg small bombs after all there is KVs and Churchills at this BR this plane with 250 kg bombs in warthunder is facing the same tanks and yet here it have no bombs where is the logic ???


The BF 109 G-6 will get 2 × Wfr.Gr.21 rockets and be moved to BR III. This will make the most unique BR III experience for Germany since similar planes are moved also to BR III i think this plane is also BR III.


And now we return this ground attacker to BR III also since Soviet and Allies have planes that are ground attackers with rockets on even earlier BRs why Germany can’t have one ?

And the Fiat G.55 to BR3 - Suggestions - Enlisted There is a topic I also agree should be moved to BR III.

BR IV:

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The G 10 and G 14 will be on the same BR IV and get 250 kg bombs since its BR IV really planes at BR IV cant be without bombs or have some small 50 kg bombs… at BR IV you are fighting Jumbos …


Just like the Soviets Me 410 is having BR V fighter payload despite being BR V ground attacker it should be BR IV plane.


And finally this junk we return it at BR IV and even there will be collecting dust…

BR V:

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BF 109 K-4 500 KG BOMB

Well the BF 109 K-4 is BR V fighter if the Jabo can have 500 kg bomb why the K-4 is not equipped with BR V bomb so we give the K-4 its 500 kg bomb and we let 250kg bombs for BR IV.

So that’s all the changes that will make you fell progressing with the planes not feeling that you are using absolutely the same bombs or no bombs on BRs like BR III and BR V and will clean a bit the stack up of planes on BR V that have no reason to be at BR V since no one will use them. The Jet power update really made this big power creep in payloads in fighters giving them this huge bombs made many other fighters not worth using at this BR since with bigger payloads you make more kills easier.

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I’d be happy if they would just allow a planes bomb to have a little roof penetration, as it is bombs won’t hardly penetrate a grass hut roof on the Pacific. :joy:

Ahh I don’t think that’s possible since they have to make buildings destructible and the map will be just smoking craters at BR V :smiley:

Spitfire with bombs or rockets i very much welcome… i love using it for the hispanos and would appreciate not being almost useless against vehicles.

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It have option for bomb or 2 or 4 rockets its up for the devs how many they wanna put. The rockets are in game so its the easiest thing to add.

I can’t upload a picture, but its stats are even worse than the BF 110 C7 (which is in BR3), this plane, along with the La 7, would easily fit in BR3.

well one BR at a time I hate huge leaps without testing one BR down for now is fine and also the Il-10 is not that bad it has very good firepower 23mm cannons are just too amazing for BR III :smiley:

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Yes, step by step.

Against aircraft it’s not much different from a 20mm, and it doesn’t do much against infantry either.

Its better im shooting Jabos with it the plane has very good firepower but the cockpit absolutely terrible… thats the thing I hate the most on this plane but its bombs are in the middle 2 x250 kg bombs its very maneuverable and yet small so its BR III /BR IV in the middle exactly. The thing I love the most is the distance on the guns its insane :smiley:

Well, about maneuverability, as I said, in terms of maneuverability, the BF 110 C7 has better stats. About the location of the bombs, it’s even better on the BF 110 C7, right under the cockpit, no gaps. And you’re right about the size, but I’m not sure that’s exactly what BRs are sorted by.
Also, when the enemy plane is behind you, size doesn’t matter. As for AA at that low speed, well I don’t think it will have much of an impact, the speed of this plane is even lower than the BF110 (530 vs 600). So its performance is actually worse than the BF 110.

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Well yest thats true BF 110 is not armored as a tank :smiley: just try to take Frontally the IL-10 with BF 110.

It matters its very hard to sniper the pilot out of IL-10 while the BF 110 has very open cockpit you can shoot the pilot very easy. For ground attacker I prefer the IL-10 since its very armored. It can take a lot of punishment. So its normal to have worse characteristics. So I cant decide is it BR III or IV so its safe just to put it at BR IV if its bad we can move it again. I can tell its not a BR V plane for sure.

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Well I haven’t flown ILs much, most of them fly like bricks and some are useless. So I haven’t had many dogfights with them, but from what I’ve seen the armor doesn’t do much against a 20mm cannon, and the cabin is a trade, worse visibility for more protectio.(Unless you’re playing against the poor Americans stuck with .50 caliber) Overall I think the greater survivability of the IL 10 versus the greater maneuverability and speed of the BF 110 C7 is a fair balance.

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Well the IL-10 has better flight characteristics then the BR III ILs and much better guns specially against armor picking APCs or light armored vehicles and you can go directly against AA guns since it has good range and good frontal armor. The problem is when they kill your back gunner then it feels like a coffin :smiley:

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Well, yes, that’s why I’d like it to be in the right place. It might be the only IL I can fly. I hate those brick planes. But a plane with a terrible speed and only two 250kg bombs in BR5 and BR4 doesn’t work. So I’m not too keen on it.
In the end I was happy with this talk, the rest is up to the snail🐌. Have a nice day/night.

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LA7 in br3, what a joke hahahaha

Simple solution: remove all strike armaments from jets, only leave them with machine guns and cannons. No rockets, no bombs, no nothing.

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Well you cant do that since some people paid for their planes and they will want a refund and this people are from the biggest P2W faction that spends the most money on the game. So if you take their toys they will cry.

why not

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