Can you show me a picture of t50 in Moscow?
Can you show me a Pic of Fedorov in Moscow?
Honestly I have searched. Can you find it please? I can’t.
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Supr sikret kreml documents proves they are there source trustmebro
It’s like the t26 in. Berlin
There is a vid of one destroyed there longside pz4s and a panther.
But, that doesn’t prove it was used.
maybe soviet engineer build it with historically accurated hammer or should I say immersive hammer
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What do you mean “Soviet pampering?”
if the FG 42 II sniper variant had the same zoom as the MKB sniper variant, then it could actually be pretty nice.
I explicitly said that any Soviet equivalents should be adjusted accordingly.
Or even better, simply make Stalingrad launch with BRs below the BR of MKB.
My suggestion has nothing to do with weapons balance.
You will be able to use your Stalingrad squads with MKB in other maps, what’s the problem?
Source?
I literally posted a video of a gun jesus saying February 1943 AH decides to produce 2000 MKBs and finally send them to Russia.
There is zero chance. And zero evidence.
I’m not saying it should be deleted from the game.
Just zero reason to have it in Moscow, Tunisia and Stalingrad maps.
In the book Sturmgewehr! there is mention of how some airdropped MKb42(H)s into the Cholm pocket in early 1942 may of helped the breakout. The author then mentions a MKb42(H) with serial number 503 that was on display at the Great Patriotic War museum in Moscow. This model with serial number 503 is claimed to of been captured at Cholm.
There would be no problem with the MKb42(H) appearing in Stalingrad if it existed on the Eastern Front in that period. Incidentally, Even if MKb42 was not really used in Stalingrad in historical fact, it is a trivial matter.
As already pointed out, we can see AS44, which is supposed to be a prototype, being deployed in large numbers in the game. And After the campaign is abolished, you will be even further removed from historical accuracy. You can see US Marines landing in Normandy.
So this level of fiction is acceptable. It is for the sake of game design and DF’s business…So I think it is pointless to insist on any more historical accuracy.
There is no reason to remove it.
If you can explain a good reason, other than historical accuracy, why MKb should be removed from Stalingrad, get the agreement of many people, and present it to DF, they might consider it.
But for now, it seems hopeless. I’d rather have MKb there because it’s more fun to have it there.
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Moscow yeah, agreed.
Stalingrad and tunisia were fought after the weapon was developed, existed and was field tested. Why not ?
if you accept fedorov on moscow , one have to accept mkb in tunis and stalingrad.
double edge sword. no?
tunisia : from 17 November 1942 to 13 May 1943.
stalingrad : 23 August 1942 – 2 February 1943
acording to “ian McCollum” it started production on late 42 and kept on early 43. and ended on september 43 (when changed to mp43 production)
+/- 11000 rifles were built in total.
so, a rifle that existed already , why shouldnt it be there ? just trying to understand ?
if no because no, why fedorov should stay in moscow ?
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It’s the same old ONE wikipedia link that keeps being passed around without any proof.
I’ve seen this copypasted to death
However, that same ONE author is the ONLY PERSON EVER to claim this
Rottman, Gordon (January 2012). The AK-47: Kalashnikov-series assault rifles. Osprey Publishing. p. 9. ISBN 978-1-84908-835-0
Let’s think again, why do prominent historians such as Stahel or Glanz or youtube experts such as Ian McCollum NEVER talk about any Kholm MKBs?
Why do we not have a SINGLE document or record or captured MKB from anywhere before 1943?
Why does Forgotten Weapons website cites that the first ever documented captured MKB 42 dates June 1943?
Some Russian sources claim that the first MkB were captured back in March 1943. However, this information has yet to be confirmed by any documents. Conducting my own research in the Central Archive of Russian MOD (known as TsAMO), I found a report dated June 1943 (source: fund 81, case file 87, “Correspondence on foreign small arms”), which allows us to re-establish the timeline of capturing the first Maschinenkarabiner 42.
I’ve been to this Museum. I’ve seen this MKB 42. The museum website has it with description:
In April 1943, 2,000 Haenel Mkb.42 automatic carbines passed combat tests in the 31st and 34th Infantry Divisions on the northern sector of the Eastern Front near the city of Kholm, Novgorod Region.
Maybe simply because, just as stated in the original post video, MKBs were approved to be produced and sent to Russia in Spring 1943? (i.e. after Stalingrad)
I get it the game is fantasy etc etc. I hate AS-44 wholeheartedly,
I simply don’t see any reason to insist on including MKB 42, a whole new type of an automatic weapon, to a very famous and iconic Battle of Stalingrad, documented in numerous movies, books and monuments.
Why not play with it on all other maps except Moscow, Tunisia and Stalingrad? In the future we might see a million new maps set in 1943-1945 so it can be MKB dot com for all I care.
Just not Stalingrad.
Let it be Stalingrad.
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its here , translated if interested.
original :
The first ever batch of MKB/MP-43/STG was sent to Russia in spring 1943, well after Stalingrad.
It’s not just a reskin, it’s a whole new weapon system (assault rifle) that breaks Stalingrad from what it really was like (desperate fighting with bolt actions and smgs).
Just want Stalingrad to feel like Stalingrad without steroids.
Regarding Fedorov, I already mentioned how it is overbuffed.
Iirc it was indeed fielded to some units or at least was in warehouses when defence of Moscow was happening, and even though I wish it wasn’t in the game, it’s not a future weapon (even if it should be way less powerful and more like a gold order rarity).
can you provide that source regarding Fedorov in moscow ?
I’ll try to find it.
But if there was a vote to remove Fedorov from Moscow (even nerfed), I’d vote twice.
However, at the very least it existed by 1941 (gold order rarity in my book).
By all accounts no MKBs were ever present in Russia until after Stalingrad.
can we both be adults and agree that both guns existed when both stalingrad and tunisia were bn fight on ??
if they were there or not, its another issue we can argue, but can we, agree, that both guns existed ?
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I’m not going to comment on Tunisia because I’m far from being an expert there.
(as far as I know the MKB-STG line was never there, and North Africa was a small dot compared to the Eastern Front focus and scale for the Germans).
MKB prototypes might have existed in Germany during Stalingrad.
But there is zero evidence of it ever being in Russia until after Stalingrad.
And honestly? I would be (almost) fine if it was just another bolt action or just another SMG, but MKB in Enlisted’s Stalingrad is meta – it’s a whole new type of weapon, an assault rifle. A very, very good weapon.
That was never there.
I’ve been to Volgograd, I went to all the museums, I visited the Tractor Factory.
I never saw a single mention of MKBs.
It just feels wrong in connection with something I care about.
And I don’t want to remove it or unbalance it against Soviet weapons – every future map can have it for all I care, set after spring 1943.
The Moscow source must have been about Lewis, not Fedorov.
It can be BR-locked for all I care, especially being so overbuffed as it is now.
I see all this discussion as pointless. After the merge, all battles will become part of a front and all maps will be treated as a generic location on that front, like all those small towns in the Moscow campaign or even the stalingrad maps (although it has very recognizable places). And since the Eastern Front lasted until 1945 (including Berlin here) and weapons like the MKb42 were used there, that means it can probably show up on any of those maps against some other weapons with the same BR.
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I don’t think it’s entirely pointless.
In fact, this is the best chance to bring some sort of historical justice to the locations we have.
The devs confirmed that the game will try to find a map more suitable to your loadout. So hopefully having a Tiger will land you in Berlin/Normandy way more often than in other places.
Iconic locations like Stalingrad do add more stylistic constraints. And while none of the equipment has to be removed as a whole, some of it can be shifted towards appearing (much more often) on other maps – exactly like the MKB case.
Let’s say the devs add more maps like Kursk, Operation Bagration, Budapest, Vienna, Konigsberg – all those maps can easily have MKBs.
I don’t know if Moscow will stay Moscow with a (soft) cap at Pz IV F1 and MG-34 (stuff that was actually there) or if it becomes “Snowy Eastern Front” with King Tigers and such, but Stalingrad has the chance to actually be more Stalingrad now that campaigns are going away.
i would def agree with you veekay, if AVT-40 wasnt a thing. avt its just better, in every scenario possible.
i understand, its hard, its an almost 100 year batlefield, even on current batlefields not everything has a pic or is documented,… or… will stay in a museum… but i understand you . another thing that "16 days in berlin " shown me , is that there is still alot of information that isnt public yet.
and, someone might have more information that is kept private… or someone digged on places we havent reach yet…
what if the mkb was really in stalingrad? and there is a document and or a photo that proves it ?
what if this :
is really stalingrad ?
either way veekay, if you dont use t34, or avt / mid to high tier gear you wont fight mkbs either, there is a chance it can happen, but,
i have to read more about it, afaik it was never there , nor the t50 tank.
but here we are…
isnt. no discussion is pointless. none.
what veekay is asking, and right to do, is for mkb to be avaiable only on maps besides stalingrad (make stalin only a low br scenario)
but since fedorov (even without proof of bn used) avt and so on are a thing, mkb MUST be present.
again, all the guns existed (besides mkb on moscow timezone), and i do agree no mkb should be present on early moscow maps…