M1918A1-A2 needs a buff, and the Soviet SMG needs a nerf

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MG34 and MG42 have been nerfed. Personally I want a rollback but
it can be understand when I think about reality.

however when I focus on the balance of the Berlin campaign,
the nerf of MG leads to a breakdown of the balance
SO I think the Soviet submachine gun needs a nerf also

German submachine guns are much weaker than Soviet ones.

They have very strong PPD and PPSH.
Because it is a drum magazine, it can be engaged for a long time.
The rate of fire is comparable to that of MG.
recoil is very low
Lastly, it is very lightweight.

In fact, the Soviet army is at the level of carrying a mini MG.
These are Stalin’s chainsaws.

Therefore, it is necessary to greatly increase the recoil of the SMG of the Soviet Army
and The accuracy of ppsh should also be nerfed.

It is true that MG is better than DP and DT.
BUT This gap is not as large as compared to PPSH and MP.

In conclusion, the DP and DT of the Soviet Army are quite decent, and the SMG is a monster.

In this situation, the German MG was nerfed.
Although this nerf didn’t send the MG to the trash can
For equity, the PPSH and PPD of the Soviet Army should also be nerfed.

MG was nerfed. SO,
Similarly, is there any reason not to nerf PPD and PPSH?

The target to be nerfed is PPD-PPSH.

If you can’t nurf PPSH and PPD, increase the ammunition of FG42 with the Berlin campaign limited.
Or rollback again.

U.S. Army weapons in Normandy need to be buffed.

Germany in Normandy has the MG34 MG42 FG42 Beretta 40.

But what about the US army?

Thompson and BAR are the only ones that can fight them though.

Overall, the machine gun has been nerfed, so the BAR is also
got a nerf.

Compared to the German army, the American personal weapons are too weak.

U.S. military weapons that needed to be buffed were rather nerfed…

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No.

I’m against “nerf this also because that other thing got nerfed”. Lmgs are still great.

Instead I propose weapons like the Bar to have less bullet spread… it was a bit more assault rifle than lmg to be honest so it would be fine for it to be considered like the avs or the fg42 🤷

Oh yeah, and also to perfect bipods system.

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I play primarily in Normandy US. And I can tell you for certain that US side doesn’t feel the least bit out matched by MG34, MG42 or FG42. Either before or after the last update …

So if your assessment of the German Vs Soviets in Berlin is no better than your assesmanet Normandy then I say you are absolutely wrong …

The MG’s were not nerfed … They were just changed to make them closer to how they were actually used in combat.

No changes needed at this point until the changes they just made yesterday are fully tested and evaluated … This is still a Beta …

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Pretty much.

Honestly I don’t even feel the “nerf” since I already used lmgs as intended. I never run and gun with those. Lmgs are fine.

The only ones who complain seem to be those used to “super ultra realistic simulation real life play” found in games like call of duty, counter strike or battlefield… :zipper_mouth_face:

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This would fall on the subjective side of things, at mid range the MP-40 is quite good, it is very controlable and kills fast enough, mean while the PPD and PPSH tend to not hit that many rounds at that distance, do it isn’t nearly as ammo efficient or damage efficient past that range. In fact I have seen people giving suppressive fire with MP 38/40, with a good degree of success for an SMG, so it is more about how you use them rather than one been objectively worse than the other.

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“Et voila”

Amen.

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Regardless are they great or not they definitely aint effective as they used to be.
Now theres no direct counter for PPD / PPSH in german arsenal.

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Why??? Why does there have to be a direct counter? If all weapons are modeled as accurately as possible historically then that’s what the devs are trying to achieve here.

Are you saying that the PPD is not modeled accurately?

Otherwise if everything must have a direct counter them why not just give everyone the exact same basic weapon and let that be it. Why even attempt to make them somewhat more realistic if everything has to be directly countered …

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i don’t contest this gun is the king of cqb battle and it’s historical
But it can still brust you head at 100m without any dispersion (lazer beam effect) and this is not historical.
Even basics modern assault rifles don’t do it (i dunno for fully modified ones)

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Probably because no one wants to play a game where they have to choose soviet faction to play CQC effectively and germans if they want to prone with LMG.

Only thing they got historically accurated are the names. So clearly, they aint doing so.

Yeah, it has the correct name.

First reply. They dont have to be exact blue vs blue counters but the current german smg’s are by FAR inferior to soviet smg’s.
If the soviet bullethoses were accurated replicas of what they realisticly were, no one would be complaining except soviets.

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no america doesn’t need a buff, they are almost perfectly balanced with some tweaks needed…also soviet smgs will sneeze out bullets so high ROF isn’t a good thing 100% of the time but high recoil for fast firing weapons should be done

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EXACTLY. All you MG Boi’s crying in the forums and on reddit read this again and again until your eyes bleed.

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I seriously don’t understand them… I mean I’m someone who really loves lmgs, it’s my kind of weapon. So yes I was very afraid when I saw the update news.

First thing I did is go into practice mode and test lmgs out… to find they are STILL Exellent. Using them as intended STILL gives the user a lead ray of death. It just spray in odd directions while moving, that’s it… People are overreacting, lmgs are still amazing and just as fun to play.

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Ok so if you feel like the PPD is not correctly modeled in the game. And by modeled I mean in the way that it performs, then lets see some real evidence to that effect.

If you can come up with credible evidence that the PPD is unrealisticly OP and the German SMG’s are unrealistly UP then there is some place to go with this.

And depending on your evidence I might be right there with you. But you seem to be basing your opinion off of just how you feel with no real evidence to show for it … Just the way you feel about it …

The LMG change was made because historical evidence show that they were just not used the way that they were being used. If you can show the same kind of evidence that the PPD is not represented correctly then lets see it …

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At 6:51 you can see some long range shots in semi auto

it’s not 100% in semi and it would be laser beam in full auto like ingame at this range?
Just no

i know it won’t be fixed but here is a proof

i don’t want dev team risk to be gulaged for high treason :roll_eyes:

ps : it is of public utility for ones those who really thought it’s legit to snipe people at long range in full spray with it

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Had massive muzzleclimb which definitely aint modeled in the game.
Even it was better than the predecessors still had reliability issues.

Finns had fair share of captured PPD’s and even they had lack of smg’s during both wars it wasnt used at frontline duties excluding exceptions of soldiers using captured weapon untill it ran out of ammo.
Now, before any armchair general mentions that Finns primarily used 9mm which is true, but Finns had rather massive stockpile of 7.63x25 mauser ammunition which could also be used on ppd.
Finns used captured soviet equipment quite extensively, PPD’s being somewhat exception of small arms that never went officially to frontline duties.

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The idea that the PPSh is a “laser beam” at any range is ludicrous - the bloody thing struggles to get “red cross” hits at ranges of the length of the hallways in the Berlin train station - it is increasingly useless at any greater range than across a street - like all SMG’s.

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Thanks for the video and very informative. I did take note of a few things … At 4:52 he makes the comment that it has very low recoil … At at long range he also makes the comment that he feels like he can hit pretty reliably out to 100 meters.

So how is this different than what you see in game?

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Also you will note here is another video of a guy who is doing side by side comparison of WW2 subs particularlyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_eM9YLelpg the PPSH and the MP40

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Funny that you mentioned it, the Germans loved to capture PPSH-41s and even went far enough to covert them to 9mm and creating a manual for it in German, the Soviets also used capture MP-40/38 s, O Guess that for most people the grass is greener at the other side.

Fun fact: people that know how to handle a fully automatic weapon won’t get massive muzzle climbing with automatic weapons.

If you look at gun fails, you will see thatmany times people go as far as getting hurt just because they don’t know how to control their gun. So you can claim that a shotgun will throw you to the ground or firing it, but that isn’t a realistic depiction of the weapon capabilities.

Ps. If you don’t control it the PPD rises quite a bit