Lower the BR of most of tank destroyers

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In this post, I will list all the non-premium TDs in the game and give my thoughts on their BRs

USA:

imageM8 Scott:
It’s good, nothing to change.
imageM10 GMC:
BR: 4 → 3
(warthunder BR Reference: Same as PzIV J)
imageM18 GMC:
BR: 5 → 4
(warthunder BR Reference: Below Tiger E and Panther A)

USSR:

imageSU-85M
BR: 5 → 4
place before T34-85 (D-5T), because it uses the same gun but no turret.

Germany:

image75/32 M41
It’s good, nothing to change.
imageStuG III F
BR: 3 → 2, Or add APCR to it
(Not necessary, Just because PzIVs are better)
imagejagdpanzer IV
BR: 4 → 3, Or add APCR to it
(Not necessary, Just because Panthers are better)
imagePanzer IV/70(A)
BR: 4 → 3
(Panther gun but on PzIV chassis)
imagePanzer IV/70(V)
BR: 5 → 4
(Panther’s good competitor)

Japan:

imageHo-Ni I
BR: 2 → 1, or correct historical statistics:
Crew 3 → 5, Gun angle ±10° → ±20°, Ammo 40 → 54
(warthunder BR Reference: Same as M3 Stuart)
imageHo-Ni III
BR: 3 → 2
(warthunder BR Reference: Same as M3 Lee)
imageHo-Ni I
BR: 4 → 3
(warthunder BR Reference: Same as M4A1)

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SPGs need some love for sure

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Pz IV J needs to go to BR4 because it’s the latest version of the war, yet it’s polluting every Moscow, Tunisia and Stalingrad match.
BR3 can keep Pz IV F2 and G, they are fine as general purpose tanks for most of the war.
Also Pz IV H is already on BR4 so J would be fine there.

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That’s why you use an assault gun
Trade turrets and anti-infantry efficiency for armor

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He’s already there and he’s a piece of shit, because the panthers are there.

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lol, it doesn’t matter just because frontal armor is important in the gray zone, due to the fact that every infantryman has dynamite and every player can use a grenade launcher - tanks live outside the gray zone for a couple of minutes. And one of the causes of death is another tank, but in a gray area

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Blame the BR system.

“Tiger 1 is on BR 5 and it’s shit because Tiger 2 is there”

“PPSh-41 is on BR 5 and it’s shit because fanasyASs is there”
Etc.

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Literally BR3 AT gun has 200 pene, so what’s the problem?

They should just give Pfaust to yankies as well. Literally nobody is playing turretless jp IV on BR5 when you can have turreted panthers on BR4

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and what is it on the third br that punches it out of tanks?

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Actually a regular Su 85 has 45mm of armor and would perfectly fit into BR3 - if of course Stug with 50mm armor could join BR2.

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Not really, it needs HEs.

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If it has HE, it must be BR2
That aside, it is indeed a good choice for the BR1 anti-tank

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From the protection analysis you posted, it is not 100% immune
can be killed by pixel aimming from BR2.
It’s much easier to paralyze the barrel and wait for the team members to get off.

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Why though? HE alone does not justify it being BR2 at all - no armor and no turret means every Panzer IV and Panzer III with 7.5 howitzers will completely outshadow it, whats the point? Its AP isn’t even that strong to begin with - yes it deals alot of damage, but it cant reliably penetrate many BR2 vehicles.

Whats the point?

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This one could probably go as low as BR 3 because the one thing that makes it good in WT (mobility) is completely irrelevant here.

I’m a bit less inclined to agree with this one because of the armour. Even if the gun is meh, the armour is functionally indestructible for most US BR 1 and BR 2 tanks, especially since the devs refuse to change US tank ammo from solid shot to this day. Bringing this down to BR 3 would be like bringing down the Jumbo.

The rest is somewhat agreeable though.

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Not to mention it has far less shells than IVs. or the N.

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I see you forgot about the SU-76M.

Which is currently seen as a fair equivalent to the T-34, but matter-of-factly never played because of how bad it is ESPECIALLY when you get upranked to use it against King Tigers.

SU-76M belongs in BR II where it can compete with the popular T-50 for an actual chance to ever be played.

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I don’t think it’s acceptable for a non-open top BR1 tank to fire 600g tnt, but it’s too weak in BR2, so the best solution is to not add HE and keep BR1

Dude