Low BR needs lower caliber AT guns too

[coldestwinter]

The 75mm Pak40 is currently the anti tank gun available to all eligible engineers from the Soviet and German factions. At 100 meters, this anti-tank gun boasts up to 148mm of pen.

While not being effective at BR 5, it can absolutely annihilate any BR 1 or 2 tank while also being very effective against infantry. Few low BR tanks have cannons that compare to its performance.

Why use a tank at all when you can simply build an AT gun to easily destroy any tank or shell the point quickly and more effectively?

There are low BR AT guns in the game that can be used:

The 45mm M1937 Soviet AT gun

The 37mm Pak 36

The 5cm Pak 38

Ideally all the AT guns at low BR would be of the same caliber and performance for balance. I don’t know if what I am suggesting is possible given the current matchmaking system, but eventually I think low BR should have AT guns that at least match the capability of low BR tanks.

[Myrm1don]

yeah I think this is a no brainer

[Myrm1don]

Can even chuck Subnation stuff in there like Italian 47mm, British 2 pounder etc etc

Also the smaller pack guns (37mm and 45mm) should be very fast and agile to push around (compared to now)

[Winter_Storm]

we should get the pak36 with 4 of these HEAT shells

[LM4_Luna]

americans should also get something like 37mm M3 gun, considering that current 57mm’s HE rounds are miles ahead of anything either Japanese or pre-merge Soviet/Germans had.

[iso_seppo123]

@coldestwinter_

The 37mm Pak 36

Isnt the one in the picture 50mm pak 38?

[khtk395]

@iso_seppo123

Isnt the one in the picture 50mm pak 38?

The name is below its picture, not on top.

[Naohmcete]

and AA too could be good concept too,I mean I suggested high br AA also,why not low br too?

[Lthiddensniper]

For Japan leave the current cannon and we’ll give them a bigger one for the bigger BR. The current one can’t front pen most of the BR 2 and 3 tanks.

[Naohmcete]

agree,we need big one and same for AA

[Tabbot]

AA should come in like three-4 tiers.

Tier 1: it’s literally just an MG fitted on an Anti-aircraft mount; either LMG or MMG, or whatever, it’s a rifle-caliber MG that reloads quicker or has a bigger magazine on it.

Tier 2: HMG, AA mount

Tier 3: Light AA cannon, 20mm mostly

Tier 4: Medium AA cannon. idk a quadmount of 20mm’s.

Tier 5: idk 40mm Dual mounts? more 20mm’s?

[CapitanRastrero]

I think single 20mm like we have now (except for USSR) is fine for low BRs and then multiple mounts of 20mm would be adequate for high BRs.

I say this becaude there are no AA HMGs for the Allies and the Germans AFAIK.

[CapitanRastrero]

Never mind I found these.

[Tabbot]

US had the M-63 mount for the M2…
but you’re correct, the germans don’t have an HMG with a mount;

I’d mostly like MMG’s/LMG’s to be the “bottom tier” simply because it makes it easier/more instinctive for newer players who want to try and play a little more defensively with their early squads. especially since MG’s at lower tiers tend to be very “bouncy” and while bipods have been improved, they’ve got a ways to go before they’re “smooth”.

giving the players MG’s at lower tier allows them to use that AA MG for “dual purposes”, without necessarily letting them have a splash-damage firing weapon that can be “problematic”.

[CapitanRastrero]

Type 90 field gun maybe

It even has seats for the crew to ride on.

[Ron_McKracker]

@LM4_Luna

americans should also get something like 37mm M3 gun

@Ron_McKracker

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

because it cannot be done.

currently, engineers at weapons works based on the squad.

each squads has a parameter with numbers of enginner unlocks:

same as radio operators

so in a sense, hard coded, and spaghetti coded.

which, currently, the reason why you see people with pak 40s, it’s because, normandy and berlin engineers had pak 40s. and those were the campaigns that a good 80% grinded.

new players should theoretically be using the pak 38 due to having basic italian engineer squad as default squads, and pak 40s from the other engineer squad.

a very tiny portion played moscow. which results in pak 36s being rare.

which, right now, if you take out an engineer of the moscow campaign and use them on berlin with t5 weapons, you’ll be forced to use the 37mm.

and it’s less than ideal.

giving the br III appearing in T1 matches, it’s best if it remains a pak 40/38.
but then, if you take the moscow anti tank squad ( which it’s also a tt squad ), you’ll get access to the pak 40/38 ( not sure ).
and if you would switch all enginners to pak 36s, they wouldn’t be used very much outside low br by seal clubbers.

from what i could gather, a bird told me that, the reason the merge happened, was to cut loose most of the older squads ( which it’s why we haven’t got medics either to this day to any of the pre merge squads outside pacific and stalingrad ) outside the very few moscow squads that became TT after merge.

the idea was to reduce the number of squads to work on.
and accomodate as most as possible of the newer stuff and rework customization on those.

EDIT.

i made an error in judgement and meant the 53k. which does look like a pak 36 but it’s being used by the soviets.

[Tabbot]

I might’ve found a found a German HMG: it “stretches” the limit of what some consider an HMG, bordering on Cannon.

ZB-60; 15x105mm; known in German service as the 15 mm FlaMG 39(t)… had 25-40 round belts, fired about the same rof as the M2 browning; same muzzle velocity,

it was also known as the BESA 15mm in british service; while it Might’ve been capable of firing HE shells I’m not sure any were ever actually deployed and it might’ve just been firing solid(ish) slugs.

[Ron_McKracker]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

a very tiny portion played moscow. which results in pak 36s being rare.

Was the Pak 38 in Moscow and Stalingrad?

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

the pak 38 was only in stalingrad and tunisia

EDIT.

and also moscow.

my bad. i forgot about it.