Why are we accomodating fortnite kids? As arcadey and bot ridden this game is, the main charm is the “historical” campaign and kits in it. Weapons and vehicles tied down to specific squads and campaigns. Imagine you’re a low level axis player in normandy, getting assaulted by 3 stacks airborne bros. Thats basically how them poor osttruppen stationed there felt, panicked and stressed. Or when you’re in berlin axis campaign as a low level, with your volksturm squads. This new progression is not great, just leave the old progression, make each faction more unique by giving them the tools. Like allied with their average yet numerous tonks and explosive CAS. Or germans with their scary ass armor and mechanized infantry(halftracks). Or make crack troops from each nations as a top tier reward. Like the SNLF as amphibious squad, or the numerous panzergrenadier divisions, or even rangers. Please improve the content and the game instead of trying to accomodate everyone, build the fanbase loyalty, make us trust you, and we will trust you with our wallet.
Semi-automatic weapons are way too high for what they are and anti-tank weapons are way too low. Would it really kill players to build AT guns using engineers rather than lolpenning Pz. IV F-2s/T-34 (1941)s with up to 4-12 Panzerfaust-60s per squad?
Why not folder many of the bolt-action rifles from tiers 1-5, with semi-automatic rifles ranging around tiers 2-3, and higher capacity firearms ending at max, tier 5 with some exceptions like the M1919A6/STG-44/Anti-tank munitions, but instead of having more firearms fill the later ranks, make it so that you’re mostly based on the vehicles you send into battle so it remains like now, with you being able to see both early and late war Pz. IVs with SVTs in either Moscow or Berlin, but having the majority of your BR/map-pool tied to the vehicles you send out which would preserve what little historical accuracy this game has left.
Yak-3s and MP-40s shouldn’t be contemporaries and likewise equipping a firearm like a Gewehr-41 shouldn’t pit you against M4A3E2s/SVT-40 against Panther A/Gs.
Otherwise, there was a post on Reddit by u/EclipseZer0 that not only included folders but alternate paths to progress through the branches, delinearizing progression alongside using potentially anachronistic starter weapons of previous campaigns as shortcuts to mid-late war maps. Please look into it.
Not a suggestion but when I look at the screenshot you took, on top I see a branch for the USA, Germany, Japan, USSR… but I don’t see a branch for Italy and Great Britain. Will they be removed from the game or they are not done yet? I would be quite saddened to see them remove from the game as it would mean less diversity.
After opening the table I see that you mix Italy with the German tree and Britain with USA. Which I feel is a very bad idea ! I though Italy and Britain would have their own tree which would be much better and make much more sense.
Dunno if anyone’s suggested this, but can we get the Pershing for the end of line tank for America? To match up to the Tiger II.
Gewehr 41 and zh 29 should be in the lower tier. Why is SVT 38 tier 6 and Gewehr 41 and zh 29 tier 8 and 9? AVS 36 and ZH 29 will never deliver exactly the same performance. zh29 is even worse. And the Fedorov automatic rifle should be at Tier 10.
to be fair, zh 29 is much better than Gewehr 41, because it reloads 10 times as fast
Gewehr 41 isn’t even superior to some bolt actions
Glad to see this probably change, but here is some questions.
U.S and USSR lacks the top fighter against German BF109-K4 or FW190-D12 which is both above 6.0 BR in War Thunder as reference. The U.S. p47d28 is about BR 5.0 and is not positioned as a fighter jet, while the USSR il-10 is a heavy ground strike aircraft. Hoping to see more planes for those two camps.
Below level 3, tanks of German maybe too sick in armor piercing ability.Though German has Panzer III J1, which can easily penetrate the opponent’s frontal armor, but it’s hard for it to kill fleet members because of its smaller caliber and charge amount, especially when its opponents become M3 Grant in both U.S. and USSR. Does the job of anti-tank should be done by Ju87 instead of ground vehicle more effectively?
Btw, could you mark the level of patroon teams? You know when there is a patroon team, the defender need more attention to the sky.
Same issue, how can mkb42H or mkb42W compare with the same Level 9 smg 39m? The latter one has higher rpm and larger box magazine.
Germany vs Soviets is not balanced in my opinion. Federov vs Kiraly??? T-34 vs Pz III N??? and there are many other imbalances. This is absurd and needs to be significantly reworked.
And they’re still not telling us which tiers will be “soft linked” to which maps/campaigns…
my takle on current levels
BR1
ussr - dragoon, ppd34 - ok for BR1. Ptrd, T-26 & BT7 - very good.
germ - kar98, mp34 - basic workhorses. PzIIIE - ok for BR1. Hs-123 should be good on BR1.
west.a - Yikes. Sten, m13 & m3 for BR1.
japan - Best ATR, type38 best BA, s1-100 not bad. E13 nice bomber.
BR2
ussr - PPS-42 best smg here, mosin38 very good. T70 very good.
germ - beretta38 - ok for BR2. BF109E7 - ok fighter-bomber. Semovente kinda wasted on this BR.
west.a - YikesX2. Scott for HE spam & Hurricane mkII for AA duty - that’s all folks!
japan - type 100 smg is a sidegrade. Ka-mi for mg grayzone sniping lol?
BR3
ussr - T50 BS-wagon & IL2 flying BS-wagon. Ptrs, M44 & PPS-43 - sidegrades.
germ - beretta1918 - very good and VG1-5 ok for BR3. PzIIIJ1 and Stuka should be good on BR3.
west.a - YikesX3. Grease gun M3A1, bazooka for BR3. SBD-3 might be good?
japan - Type 5 launcher - you gonna need it.
BR4
ussr - T28E as a glass cannon. P40e with 250kg bomb & 50 cal.
germ - grb39 - too late for a meeting with T50, still needed. PzIVe/F1 - kinda late to HE spam.
west.a - YikesX4. Lanchester over M3A1, is it worth it? Piat - better learn how to use it.
japan - Type 2a SMG, nothing else really.
BR5
ussr - T34, enough said. Mosin with heat grenades should kill any panzers up to BR5. IL2-37 might be worth using here? Winchester95 - is it worth it?
germ - BF110C/F - pray for 250kg bombs to stay. StuGIIIF to counter T34 otherwise. Mannlicher M1895 maybe worth it?
west.a - Beaufighter Mk X & Sherman II - time for payback for BR1-4. For inf. weapons - YikesX5.
japan - SiG M1920 - about equal to Type 2a. Type 96 LMG - about equal to type 97 LMG.
BR6
ussr - Panzerfaust 60 - always good. KV-1, enough said. Dp-27 - good enough.
germ - Panzerfaust 60 - always good. PzIVF2 - better than StuGIII. MG34, enough said.
west.a - BARs and M9 bazookas, finally. Enfield no4, might as well use it.
japan - type Hei, really?
BR7
ussr - svt38 earlier than others, ‘no bias comrade’. Panzerfaust 100 earlier than german one, 'no bias comrade’X2. IL2M - good enough.
germ - Ju 188, will it survive the nerfs? Ofenrohr & Panzerfaust 100 - always good. ZK 383 & MP35 - better late than never.
west.a - A-20 with m8 rockets. M1 carbine & M1A1, M1928 box tommies - not worth it?
japan - Improved flamethrower before everyone else, Type 4 Garand copy before Garand itself, what???
BR8 - all hell broke lose, improved flamethrowers for everyone!
ussr - PPD 34/38 drum, DT-29, T-34-85
germ - Beretta M38 & MG34 with 40 & 75 round extended mags, Panthers, G43.
west.a - proper Thompsons, Jumbo, Garands. 76mm Sherman. P-38J for Tiger deleting.
japan - gone, reduced to atoms
BR9
ussr - Fedorovs before STGs, AVS-36 for everyone!
germ - Kiraly, Tiger E (gona get blasted by everything at this point), sniper MKb.
west.a - P-47D-28, enough said. Drum Thompson.
japan - gone, reduced to atoms
BR10
ussr - IL-10 with 250kg bombs.
germ - ‘We should all get Sturmgewehrs!’ and FG42s as well. Tiger II, enough said.
west.a - M2 carbines for all. M1919a6 - good, but kinda late?
japan - gone, reduced to atoms
Tl;dr
Overall
USSR - Ok on BR 1, Very strong on BR 2-3, strong on BR 4-9, falls behind at BR10.
Germany - OK on BR 1-2, strong on BR 3-4, start to slowly ramp un from BR 5-9, Very strong on BR10.
West. Allies - BR 1-5 suck for infantry, Tanks & bomber are good but who’ll cap points? BR 6-9 gets better. BR 10 needs more (suitable) unlocks/
Japan - BR 1-5 - very good infantry. Tanks, what’s that? BR 6 is worthless, BR 7 still strong, just hope you won’t meet BR 8-9 Allies.
Conclusion:
Japan might get in easy, West. Allies look weak at low BRs.
I suspect most veteran German players will flock to BR8-10, leaving newbies at the scant mercy of Soviet mains.
Mosin nagant at tier br 1.0
In game’s “About” page, there is:
“All of the weapons correspond to the historical prototypes and were actually used in particular military campaigns.”
and
“Tanks, wheeled armoured vehicles, fighters and attackers have been recreated with high precision and await their commander. During work on the vehicles in the game, development used their experience with the military online simulator War Thunder.”
and
“Particular details in the environment, as well as weapons, ground vehicles, aircraft and even the uniforms of the soldiers will correspond to the historical reality of the famous battle that it is dedicated to.”
In Darkflow’s About the new progression and matchmaking - News - Enlisted, there is:
In some cases, there may be more deviations from historical accuracy than what we currently have in the game. We believe the advantages of the updated Enlisted outweigh the abandonment of complete accuracy, but we want to hear your opinion as well.
meaning they think the current version has “complete accuracy”.
This is indeed very absurd. Regarding the current situation of the game, I agree with what you said, “this game has nothing to do with historical accuracy,” but this is also the promise and advertisement made by Darkflow.
when you have f2p grind, those promises go away quickly. need to extend grind? just add unhistorical weapons/vehicles to later levels. need to balance something? add some prototype that never saw production.
if they could remove grind from the game and add historically pre equipped squads that would be good for historical accuracy and for balance. infinite riflemen squads and limited specialized/elite infantry like assaulters, AT squad, flamethrowers.
but sadly we dont live in that reality and gaijin lives for making people suffer with grinding their games and making people spend money to skip/accelerate grind.
with this many tiers and empty spots on the tree there is no reason for Italy to split with Germany.
Italy would just get German equipment past tier 6. No point in it that.
your tree makes the most sense to me I seen so far
When BR levels come to soldiers or certain pieces of equipment, I will certainly hardly play the game anymore.
I’ve finished almost all of the campaigns, and I’m in possession of almost all premium squads. So I started replacing my Tier 1 soldiers with higher levels, as well as with the equipment, small ammunition bags with larger ones, etc.After all, the grind has to go on.
I’ve also played all the campaigns so far, with the exception of Berlin, since this stupid train escort has been added (sorry, it doesn’t work at all!!). So under the new system, I’m just a high tier just because I replaced a level 1 engineer with a level 2 engineer, or a grenadier has a backpack or large ammunition bag?
As a result, I will inevitably end up on Berlin cards very often, but I don’t play them anymore! So that I can play a game on Moscow or Tunisia, should I now dismiss my very expensive soldiers of level 2, 3, 4 and grind again level 1? No, absolutely not!
Also, I don’t feel like studying tons of lists and converting hundreds of soldiers just to play a mid-level game.
My conclusion: It’s not wrong to play high tier games, but I don’t feel like playing ONLY high tier! And why should you play a lot if there is no point in improving the soldiers or the equipment?
This is better. It’s so much better and makes so much sense!
Please pm @EdVanSchleck and @James_Grove or other helpers with it, like they asked us to.
Because it goes along the lines of my proposition that somehow got more popular than the devs very own post overnight… So ppl DO want it.
I’m just afraid that it became so cluttered here, that ppl will just miss it…
Edit: I’d compress pistols as well.
@Myrm1don write me your fully suggestion via PM. I have too many suggestions linked on the forum.