Lets try again - nerf soviet body armor, its OP and unfair and you know it

Fg 42-2 TTK is also equal to 0.

With what logic ? "Join clan and shoot heads :clown_face: "

In reality where it requires 2hits to kill it just cant be 0 like avt.

in reality it takes 1 shot. Or did I miss it when 100% of players started using cyruses.

what logic? You should start with math, otherwise you can’t even tell the difference between 0.18 and 0.22 correctly.

I love that sometimes (often), mods come and close threads for no good reason.

Other times they let fires such as this burning.

“Some mods just want to watch the forum burn”

Eheh

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Seems you have missed quite alot of stuff but I find it highly irrelevant to subject of
FG42 requiring 2 hits against bodyarmor which is the subject of the topic
and AVT being ohk

Dunno, you tried to justify this with ROF differency, which in this exact case doesnt help the FG slightest.
Math seemed the obvious way to prove it, would you rather have a coloring book ?

And sure that was my typo.

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to those who do not win for the USSR.

more than two thousand messages.

what do you know about forum burning?

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I have nothing more to add. No one could clearly say why this is not true.
All you say is that the AVT40 has high damage. But the T20 has the same damage.
That AVT40 is accurate. But the difference is 0.04.
T20 is also more accurate than FG42-2 by 0.02.
You suggest fixing the high recoil of the AVT40 with a skill. In that case, I suggest you shoot at heads with the FG42-2, or there are problems with the skill.
It’s funny to read how you call the best weapon in the game weak. Funny.

Dont really think you ever had anything to add.

Subject is Bodyarmor, if you feel unfair treatment that US that doesnt fight against USSR has better gun than USSR then make a topic about it.

Yeah, if I recall all you had to do is join to a clan and become best of the best.
And yes, you can control the recoil but you cant control the dispersion.

But we are not in the clan ? And sure, if you can prove shooting heads is just as easy as bodyshots we shall wait here for your evidence.

Dunno, so far stats has favored the AVT over FG quite alot here.
But be denial as much as u want.

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hey - its not my fault that those two are having a useless argument.

if the mods close this down because of those 2 I will be pissed.

but T20 doesnt have body armor ffs, how hard is that to understand

AVT one hit kill vs FG two hit kill

while US has no armor so:

T20 one hit kill vs FG one hit kill

why do you refuse to understand that?

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actually - I want to add more fire to this discussion:

Paratroopers get extra vitality on top of regular vitality which “effectively” means that “in theory” all factions have access to body armor, be it rather specific.

→ considering this, one could argue: well Germany simply needs to use Paratroopers then - however ONLY Soviets AGAIN get the ability to customize Paratrooper weapons, WHILE AGAIN AVT is not influenced by this because it has 15.3 dmg.

why should FG have less damage than AVT and T20 ? there is no logic here other than “maybe” AVT having less ammo, but I would pick one hit kills over 5 rounds in my mag every day.

And how many games have you played for the USSR?

You forgot the flamethrower

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a pistol kills in one shot against the head - so FG should be Br1 or what? what kind of logic is that?

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your logic, not mine.

Quite sure you brought the “skill” as first one to conversation.
“Best of best clan this and that” argument.

You moaned about the recoil, which indeed is something you can affect by yourself “skill”
Dispersion, thats something you cant do anything about yourself.

And from there, you jumped to conclusion of shooting heads.
Which is again, bit offtopic as subject is bodyarmor.

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If you lose a match against the soviets and your first thought is “wow I lost because of those pesky armors” then you are fundamentally misunderstanding the plethora of real reasons as to why you lost the match.

That being said, should cosmetics just be cosmetics? Yes. Its strange for a faction to have a “secret” damage resistance buff while other factions don’t have that. Is it a real issue? No not really. Is it still a strange feature for only one faction to have access to? Yes.

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Oh I absolutely lost many matches because of that before - without a doubt, but … you are right that this isnt the main reason why one loses a match, rather it was the little drop of imbalance that made a close match favor my enemy.

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This is your opinion, but 20 people in the top clans think that this is not so.
It is significant that NO ONE took the USSR at all in the clan war. Because everyone understands that even with armor, or with the AVS 36, the AVT 40 - the Soviets will be worse than the Germans, the Japanese, or the Americans with their auto rifles.

And this is on the infantry, where the Soviets are considered strong.

This is exactly why the Soviets have weak teams on 5BR. Good players get there only because of the “play for any team” checkbox, it is pointless to deliberately play for the USSR, since there is no benefit from playing on Soviet weapons for good players.
At this last clan war, tanks and even the cannon Ganomag were banned, but the Germans were still taken, and the Soviets are not.

And in the meantime, forum experts will talk about the strength of cuirasses and the “one-shot” damage of the AVS 36.
and yes, it is directly related to the discussion. since your argument is that supposedly cuirasses are bad for balance. but this is not true for the reasons I described. in reality, they most likely have a positive effect on the balance of the game. without them, the situation of the soviet team will be even more deplorable

Total noobs then lol.

Clan war? What a joke.

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