Gold orders were the most popular reward in all of the game by far.
People used to buy the elite battle pass for them, grind the events for them and even log in every single day just for a slim chance of rolling one.
Now I will get 4 BP guns instead of 2 which is an upgrade, but in the process we lose everything that made gold orders so unique thus making this change a huge downgrade.
I said this before but I will say it again that I dont own more than 3 even of my favourite BP gun so why do I have to take 4 of the same gun? At least give us 1 GO + the 3 BP instead of 4 BP gun thus letting us pick one from the BP shop.
Forgot to adress this aswell, gold orders also obviously were a huge selling point for the battlepass. Removing them will make buying the battlepass 100% less attractive.
Soo you say he only brought up the positives…. Then what are the truly, overriding negatives of the old GO systems that needs systemic change? Every other commenter on this post (along with the many other posts asking NOT to change the GO system) have brought up extremely valid points. You only critiqued them with conjecture and no base of evidence.
The old GO system is a huge reason to play and keep playing. Period. Its uniqueness helps to keep people grinding and look forward to another aspect of the game (other than updates, events, etc.).
I like how you use the word “conjecture” and “no base of evidence” while completely disregarding the first paragraph of the same post you are replying to.
Do you even know what those words mean, or are you using them to sound smart?
I did not bother to repost my arguments because I have already argued against the same people, and both the OP and the subsequent posters have chosen to refuse to acknowledge the counterarguments posted in the previous topics.
To keep you up to speed
Choices between which half-decent gun/collectible in stinking pile of garbage BP guns to buy, sure.
I’ll acknowledge that this means you get less new content to pick from.
Shortening the BP actually means you need less play time to get the guns you want. I’ll concede that delays in the BP are part of life given that non-delayed seasons are a rarity.
Gold order vehicles being free max upgrade vehicles rather than separate vehicles was a half-assed measure introduced during a time before vehicles even had customization or camoflage features. Players essentially being given a free vehicle was an unintended consequence that grew into an expectation.
Considering that battlepass purchases are essentially single-time transactions with the company that provides for and even exceeds the amount of in-game currency necessary to purchase the next battlepass, I don’t understand why you seem to imply that people wouldn’t just pay for the battlepass.
You realize that you worded it such that the new BP is not FOMO, right? But I’ll indulge.
And one of the complaints of the old BP was that there are too many guns to choose from and not enough to buy copies with. I understand that collecting a variety of weapons is appealing, but when people wanted good guns, they wanted them in quantities only possible if you had saved enough gold weapon orders over the course of a year, with the alternative being that you pay gold to get those same guns.
You want more guns you wanted to collect with the old system?
Play the season and maybe get 1-2 copies.
You want more guns to collect with the old system?
Pay up, or play through multiple seasons to accrue enough gold weapon orders.
What if some new collectible gun you want shows up during the “saving up” period during the old system?
Pay up or play through multiple seasons like with the previous question.
You don’t want the guns the new system offers this season?
Just skip it.
You see guns the new system offers this season?
Then play it. You’ll get a decent number of copies.
You are not punished in your ability to collect guns that you want merely because you skipped a season, whereas you are essentially making a full commitment over the course of over half a year just to obtain enough gold weapon orders to acquire enough copies of 1 gun.
Nice to see you still refuse to acknowledge the points I made in your thread just a little over a month ago.
which it still was a choice.
and most gold orders weren’t made for meta gloryhounds such as your self.
hence, not a valid point at all.
that’s… great.
which means, you also get less in terms of rewards.
previous battlepass prolongued both the playtime and the rewards required to both benefit ( company and customers ).
shrinking did somewhat the opposite.
i can’t disagree there.
but as a pourly thought out concept, it came out to be quite useful and unique.
as it allowed camouflaged to be used and get more stilistic choices. but that may not be interest for everyone ( of course. nor should be ). the main feature was being able to use said vehicles in order squads as well ( for example, japan GOs. where you could use Ho-1 in tanker type III and others ).
save you some silver, and skip the grind.
although, those could have been the reason why were removed.
except it is.
maybe i should have worded it better.
but the message was crystal clear.
which it’s why not being able to get all of them still allowed some players to effectively buy them when said weapons or items would phase out after 4 seasons.
there were reasons and justification.
now it’s all gone and behind limited event.
you want it? well. you better get it.
you don’t want it?
you better not regret it.
and by the time the weapon will be in some video featured for it’s performance you most likely won’t have enough time to collect the weapon it self unless you just yoloed.
which, yes. it is nice the 1000 gold back.
but that’s also an investment.
you either play with time, or buy gold.
it seems to me you are thinking on the very short rewards rather than long term benefits.
literally nothing wrong with having less weapons if that means you can get a different variety at all time.
or, once every 1 or 2 years as " limited brought back " with the gold that you actually grinded for.
and use it whenever you see something you like or need.
it’s kinda ironic from someone who apparently is cool with deserting because of the game allegeldy forcing you the play maps you don’t like, or because of others etc.
which, sure.
as it goes for the BP, you may decide not to get it if you are not interested.
but here is the catch. you are forced to go through if you want just a skin, or X / Y because you have no other ways of obtain such item.
so it’s a false notion as well.
so far, no concrete real benefits beside the: " i like it because i get more pew pews. even though i can’t decide which ones i get ". at the cost of more content, and basically most people opinions and preferences.
If FOMO is the worst flaw, I guess we can accept it that one.
And hey, at least you could still get some gold orders for free while with the new one, ya get nothing.
Now you dont get the gun you want and no chance to buy them later again.
MUCH better, we just cant see it.
And now? Nothing.
Again, MUCH better. No choice is still better than few “bad” choices.
And again, jokes aside, where is the bad part?
Yeah, just wait like at least three months or so + the mandatory extensions to maybe get the faction you want.
Not counting that it is a weapon you actually want anyways.
Again, MUCH better, we are just too stupid to see that.
Like in the old days?
Not to mention, before we got vehicles, actual vehicles.
Now we get skins.
Again, MUCH better because lesss clutter. Too much choice is bad.
On the other hand of the spectrum, regular F2Ps get screwed over since they have zero control over what they can and can’t purchase. You get one gun and that’s it. You can’t horde them for your favorite faction or purchase multiple examples of the same firearm. I currently have FOUR Condors SMGs, had they been released within these two seasons, I would have exactly ONE unless I shilled out the big bucks.
Probably because your points are stupid. Who said we wanted “more guns” and that’s it?!? and again this is a F2P game buddy. People like the freedom of choice and to look forward to having that choice instead of having stuff just put on us (I don’t really care for a bunch of guns I might not use like the new PPSH-45) and maybe I want to choose some of those old battlepass weapons as time goes on (but without the GO I have no way of knowing, especially if your a new player). Sure I could just skip this seasons BP but then that DF losing old and potentially new players (it does help keep the player base stable). If you want to spend your REAL money on stuff go for it but you’re in the minority on this issue. You imply a bunch of crap that no one is complaining about, hence your arguments are full of conjecture as your making up stuff with info you obviously don’t have or are making up to try to make a unpopular point.
To see a guy being FOR the removal/deterioration of a service we all enjoyed is baffling to me.
Removal of the shop, has no benefits for the player, at all. It’s something less, that’s it.
The only ones who will benefit are df devs who want to bleed ppl more, by making all those gold orders stuff obtainable ONLY through gambling, randomly, thus needing much much more resources, time and frustration on the player’s part, the only loser in this situation.
The gold order vehicles argument is even worse, I have so many legacy units, premium tanks and gold order vehicles that I can literally cycle 3 top rank vehicles in each BR.
I have access to
3x Panzer III J in BR1
3x Panzer III N in BR2
3x Panzer IV J in BR3
3x Panther in BR4
2x Tiger II + 1x Jagdpanther in BR5
This not only used to be the norm, it was used alot back in the campaign system, people kept playing as dedicated tankers.
The fact that I can bring in multiple good vehicles in a row, while new players will never be able to do this is pretty unfair. In the end, a dedicated tanker that keeps playing as a tanker even after death is simply a much better contribution to the team, because he knows the flow of the tank battle, can revenge kill other tankers and can keep applying pressure.
Everyone should be allowed to do this - free squad slots should become a thing.
I agree with this, but Enlisted seems to think that F2Ps should have an experience that is as barebones as possible as means to compel them to shill out real money.
They’re collectible content you can only acquire in limited quantities.
The fact you cannot acquire more than a few over the course of several seasons has made them a valuable in-game currency, and the concept of “what is worth redeeming using extremely rare currency” is why weight is given to actually useful equipment rather than a sidegrade to existing tech tree equipment.
If you want anything past what the game gives you, the only option is to pay up.
For that season. You get more seasons.
For everyone to get a reference:
Battlepass 16 (New) // 42 Days // 15 Jan 25 - 26 Feb 25 (As per announcement)
Battlepass 15 (New) // 51 Days // 25 Nov 24 - 15 Jan 25
Battlepass 14 (Old) // 89 Days // 28 Aug 24 - 25 Nov 24
Battlepass 13 (Old) // 105 Days // 15 May 24 - 28 Aug 24
Battlepass 12 (Old) // 105 Days // 31 Jan 24 - 15 May 24
The old BP alternates between 1 and 2 gold weapon orders, excluding events which may reward you with 1.
But let’s presume the old battlepass seasons gave you 2 per season so it isn’t a pain in the ass to calculate.
In the 299 days featuring the old BP system last year on 2024, you would have obtained 6 gold weapon orders, excluding events. This represents about 6 purchaseable copies of a weapon, of which about 12 different weapons were introduced (1 per faction per season) where you may purchase 4 copies each.
This means you would need to choose up to 6 of 12 different weapons out of 48 possible purchaseable copies. 6/48
In the less than 100 days since the new system was introduced, 2 new battlepass guns were added for 4 copies each season.
This means you acquired 2 of 2 battlepass guns out of all 8 possible copies. 8/8
Now, if we match the number of days between the new system and the old system, you would get 6 of 6 battlepass guns available and all 24 copies. 24/24
You would be getting less variety, but far more guns to equip squads with.
You do not need to choose which content to skip and which to get, because you merely need to play the season to get it.
The people who care about performance refer to Euthy’s datamine sheets, not videos.
I have no idea what gave you this impression.
Misrepresenting an argument makes you incredible, especially since I've already self-quoted my points from older topics to get everyone up to speed as to what the points I made are.
Or you could literally just get everything you would have paid gold orders to get.
The purpose of the battlepass is to maintain a consistent daily user count. If you want content, you’ll have to play enough of this season. Given that you cannot purchase what you missed, I would not assume Darkflow would literally let go of a possible place to monetize.
In spite of the apparent discontinuation of old battlepass equipment, they have repeatedly put them on sale in spite of their apparent “limited” status.
Nothing? That’s disingenuous.
You get 4 copies of a weapon and some random gold soldier. You only get nothing if you don’t play.
I have already addressed this.
The fact you shamelessly cycle tanks in an infantry game and then complain about how a system that used to cater to said vehicle cycling no longer offers you new vehicles is appalling.
Especially when you yourself have likely played long enough to know that these gold order vehicles being their own vehicle instead of a customization option was borne out of the fact that they were introduced at a time before vehicle customization was introduced.
They were never intended to be a convenient method to cycle vehicles.
What pre-merge players have right now is an exclusive privilege.
I like how I’m genuinely addressing arguments in good faith, but no one seems to recognize, acknowledge or even read my points past “oh no he’s contradicting us.”
You’re free to prove me wrong by quoting the points you disagree with.
And what did change now except you have less days to play it to get a gun you might never be able to get again? Dunno why that ain’t FOMO.
Of only one weapon you maybe don’t even on faction basis? Same applies to soldier.
But I forgot, making the player play the game for three months for choice is worse.
And it is still stupid.
You basically we have too much expectation which I don’t even know who is that dumb to make this a point against keeping them and something about cycling vehicles that don’t get fixed anyway.
And who cares when and under which circumstances they have been made if you still get a free upgraded vehicle?
If you don’t like it, just don’t buy them then.
While still not fixing the core issue of cycling. Thank god the US cannot spam T26 tanks that can only be used by one squad anyways while Germany still can spam two Tiger IIs, Tiger Is or Panthers, not counting the masses of premium and event vehicles.
And if Enlisted is a “infantry” game, why do we even have vehicles in the first place? Remove them then.
Which is why they offered another Jumbo for Normandy and another Panzer IV E. so people would not spam two Jumbos or Panzer IV Es I guess…
No, you just don’t make sense. How long does it take you to accept that maybe its not the other people that are wrong but you if no one agrees (excluding two likes)?
Where did I say that it was bad? I gave you context as to the primary purpose of the battlepass.
The fact they haven’t monetized the older new guns from the previous season under the new system is still a possibility, and it may have to do with the still-existing to-be-discontinued old-bp shop.
Yes. A half-assed fix that had an unintended consequence of setting the expectations of players moving forward.
It’s like being offered business-class seating in a plane because all the economy seats are full, but when there is space in economy, you should be in economy.
An issue that only older players that still have their pre-merge squads can exploit, limiting its frequency.
