Let AI recognize & deal with Enemy Rally Points And Enemy tanks / APCs

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@Exorius

No one in the entire gaming industry has ever done a good AI. Its why people play multiplayer games.

mh.

i see many people chanting that old game, medal of honor if not mistaken.

which sawing from videos they did performed averange ( not headless chickens ). which that’s the way it should be.

but i can’t say much as i didn’t specifically played any of those titles.

however, i did played extensively day of infamy, insurgency sandstorm, men of war assault squad, company of heroes etc.

and even in those RTS which might be different from fps they do actually shoot other placed equipement from the enemy team.

AI can works, if implemented correctly.

which as goes for enlisted,
they could and should laying smokes, destroying rally points, using tanks their own, do more tasks that players do too.

at the same time, not be deadly machines, but gets accurate after 1 or 2 bullets to give chances to retaliate. just like real life.

you have some excellent soldiers with good reflex, and " thinking "; and you also got some… dumber soldiers a bit more sluggish, etc.

@Exorius

Best solution is to make the AI just a lemming who do direct commands. No precoded self decision actions because that will be same as hacking bots

which it’s more about fixing AI to not shoot through foliage.

and, bots do things on their own already.

like, they do build ammo crates, place medkits, heal other soldiers, and so on ( even place rallies ).

that’s the route we should take.

make them do more, not less.

@Exorius

And that just leave real bad taste if players. And ends up as dead game. Or you playing with everyone else being AI bots.

i’m more of the idea ( at least, worked for me ) working towards improving both the way you play, and " becoming " better alongside your own AI. as a sort of achievement form.

it could, and should work that way.

opposed as having to do everything yourself with chickens following you.
and everything you do, doesn’t matter.

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

which one

[ZebulonBVance]

@Enginya earlier in this thread

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

yeah, a mention it’s nice

just… not sure what type of improvements will be made, and which of the two mentioned above will be included.

could mean many things… but still.

[Exorius]

Telling the bot to build an ammo crate that you have put down is not really an AI. It just a lemmings doing simple commands. That what their limit should be. They should even remove their ability too shot on their own. Its horrible when its needed and its an aim bot when it shouldn’t be. Even without the line of sight issues with the bots. Its still feels cheap when you get aim botter by some unrealistic position or angle that a normal human never will and I don’t think they can fix that. Just let the lemming be lemmings and let the real people the actual game.

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@Exorius

Telling the bot to build an ammo crate that you have put down is not really an AI. It just a lemmings doing simple commands. That what their limit should be.

n-no.

they do build ammo boxes, place medkits, and place rallies on their own.

not your squad, but the “wonderless” AI that acts like players and replace players if those leave the match.

@Exorius

They should even remove their ability too shot on their own. Its horrible when its needed and its an aim bot when it shouldn’t be.

goes against the very thing of the game.

and them being able to shoot should definitely stay in the game.

just redefined to prevent squads wipes in 10 meters or them shooting through bushes.

@Exorius

Its still feels cheap when you get aim botter by some unrealistic position or angle that a normal human never will and I don’t think they can fix that.

i think as said, has more to do with how rudimentary they are.

but definitely should be better.

@Exorius

Just let the lemming be lemmings and let the real people the actual game.

or… we could improve them even further, and let players who wants to play against players send them over lone fighter.

because it doesn’t make much sense that the game is around AI, and then only make them some sort of cannon fodders.

because after all, not many games let you command a squad in a fps.

enlisted should be unique in that aspect.
not half legged.

[Exorius]

Yep. It never made sense why they decide to focus on AI in the first place. It did kill the hype around the game and then devs decide to put in the lone wolf mode because people just didn’t want to play with AI. And then they shoved the lone wolf into the oblivion where nobody really goes and if you do its a BR5 faceroll and sniper campers. Also your progress is not guaranteed as well and fully disabled in moded maps so they are dead in the water too. So the mainstreamlined AI squad games is the only chance the game has right now and AI is not the way. Well we will see really soon when they released on steam who is right and who is wrong

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@Exorius

It never made sense why they decide to focus on AI in the first place

yes it does?

it’s the whole game made around AI.

you’d expect them to work behind it and improve.

which, they did.

dunno when was the last time you played during the alpha, but from then, to now, there are some large improvements.

it’s just that they come slow.

@Exorius

It did kill the hype around the game and then devs decide to put in the lone wolf mode because people just didn’t want to play with AI. And then they shoved the lone wolf into the oblivion where nobody really goes and if you do its a BR5 faceroll and sniper campers.

eh… to each, their own i suppose.

personally, despite loving both gamemodes to this day, i believe both are fun in their own way, but a pity that you cant grind events through customs in LF with at least more than 10 people.

btw, LF still has more xps compared to the squad mode.

@Exorius

Also your progress is not guaranteed as well and fully disabled in moded maps so they are dead in the water too.

true.

that really sucks.

and it pains that developers hinted about progression coming to those " but not to the way you expect them " ( so most likely a catch there too ).

@Exorius

So the mainstreamlined AI squad games is the only chance the game has right now and AI is not the way. Well we will see really soon when they released on steam who is right and who is wrong

guess we’ll see

[Exorius]

When I say it didn’t made sense about focus on AI I am talking about pre alfa release. There was just hints that they might be working on War thunder infantry game and oh boy that was some great news. And then we had some winter fight pictures that was looking great. And then they disappeared for some years and came back with that focus on AI that came out of nowhere for the people who was expecting something very different than that. And then those people start coping how there will be this Lone Wolf mode that will be the game for them but here we are now. So yeah. That’s what I meant with the focus on AI

[VoyoMayPL]

@Exorius

And then those people start coping how there will be this Lone Wolf mode that will be the game for them but here we are now.

And Lone Wolf was so popular it got removed from the list of main gamemodes and pushed to custom games. Great success.

[Exorius]

Cause the AI squad game is doing so much better. Being scrapped into absolutely different progression and match making system trying to get enough players to fill a game. They also payed crazy money to every single big FPS streamer to promote the game. Not a single one of them came back after the payed promotion. And half of them didn’t even know there is a lone wolf mode or care to even try it.

[ZebulonBVance]

@Exorius

They should even remove their ability too shot on their own

LMAO oh so this whole thread was a troll got it

[Exorius]

Stop trying to start drama cause the moderators will come back and keep flagging my msgs again for asking to talk about the game instead personal insults and nonsense

[ZebulonBVance]

brings up Twitch streams

it’s like you spawned in to the forums after being in cryo-sleep for 3 years.

[Exorius]

Do you have anything related to the topic or you gonna keep being a drama queen?

[ZebulonBVance]

IDK why this topic has your panties so bunched up, but you’re coming in here and basically saying you don’t like the AI squads in an AI squad game, and you want them to be as ineffective as possible.

Plenty of other games for you to play, but you want to come in here and sh*t on the one unique feature of this game? Who’s the drama queen?

[Exorius]

It is not about what I personally want. Its about what will be good or bad for the game. What I want as a single person doesn’t matter. I said multiple times that I am not emotionally invested in this. I am here just to give my yearly feedback but I guess this is not the place for it so I guess I will just stop and go do something else that will be more productive than wasting my time here. As you said. Plenty of other games to spend my time with.