Kampfpistole as a sidearm

Should more powerful Russian tanks such as the T-28 eventually be added, a great addition to german infantry would be the kampfpistole with the 326 HL/LP Hollow charge as its ammunition. This weapon had a range of 300m (though VERY innacurate at said range), a muzzle velocity of around 70 m/s and a penetration of about 50mm. This would later become 80mm (in 1943).
Although 50mm would barely scratch the side of a T-34 at a perfect angle, this weapon would be quite capable of precise module sniping, and even hitting the thin roof’s of most tanks by shooting from window’s in a top down angle.
The russians could receive an ampulomet launcher as response.
What are your thoughts? kp

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This would be rather unfair when compared to the PTRD or PzB, and I dont want the PTRS to return to balance this thing.

Ampulomet is on a diffrent scale of this, extremely heavy. Don’t see that happening either.

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Well to be fair the killing power was very low (about 16g of explosive warhead), to where the killing power of the hollow charge would be similar to that of an anti tank rifle. This could be a very good extra weapon for PzB soldiers or their squadmates. Plus, ammo would be very limited (1+2 or 3 extra rounds) and reloading it would take ages (about 8 or 10 seconds).
The gun would also need to be used from very close ranges due to the low muzzle velocity.

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Riflle Grenades Gewehrgranate The only good source can be found here. Details most anti tank weapons used by german infantry. Given that the others have accurate stats I take it this pistol is also accurate. You could also tell it was adequate because several thousands were produced before the next model.

I have serious doubts that they managed to match early 75mm HEAT performance with that thing.

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I think it is a 40-50mm projectile.
Keep in mind the German 75mm HEAT projectile penetrated 80mm at the time, not 50, and went up to 100mm shortly afterwards.

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but on a related topic, rifle grenades had HEAT.
Rifle grenades are endgame right now, sure, but the option would still make sense.

Rifle grenades in 1941 could go through 60mm of armor at 90° at any range, making them capable of damaging the side of a T-34 at a good enough angle.
The Kampfpistole’s HEAT ammo had 22g of Hexogene, allowing it to pierce 50mm or armor.
Several thousands were made between 1941 and 1942.

yeah right…
German AT rifle in 1941 had 38mm of penetration while that smol revolver had 50mm.
I have serious doubts about those numbers.
Unless it was said 50mm because of propaganda, Germans were the masters of propaganda

Edit: I know it uses heat ammo but heat was very unstable in ww2 and most of the time had less penetrating power than AP shells
Exception is late war when bazookas and panzerfausts came in but even those weapons sometimes penetrated 200mm and sometimes couldn’t even go through 30mm.

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Why make them even more powerful?

The Germans moved away from AT rifles much sooner than the Soviets, instead resorting to HEAT projectiles. As such, their research and development on HEAT rounds is much better as that of the soviets. You don’t need more than a 50mm warhead to reach that 50mm penetration, given that a 75mm warhead gives 100mm penetration around this time period.

In games we always asume they function as designed.

Don’t they need a separate inventory slot for each grenade?
Each HEAT is an HE you aren’t carrying.

HEAT still is decently effective as HE, and rifle grenades are still much better than regular rifles either way.

There is a fundamental difference between what is essentially a very large rifle firing conventional munitions and a flare gun firing HEAT rounds.

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Precisely that. Panzer IV with short 75mm could pierce around 52mm with APCBC at 100m but 80mm with HEAT at any range.

At any rate I don’t see this being a balanced solution to the T-28 question even if it does perform that well.

They’ll either be too scarce to make a difference, or too common for them not to become a major problem for Russian light tanks that are already too squishy.

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Considering how the damage model works right now, a 23mm HEAT round won’t really do much to the spaced interior and large crew complement of the T-28. Maybe kill one machinegunner or disable a track at most.

But against a BT-7 or T-26 it’ll wipe the entire crew because of how packed they are.

So I’m against that one, especially being a sidearm slot.

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i think it’s a good idea, but only for AT soldiers.

as it’s basically a bigger side arm. or use it as a slot object. could work too.

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At infantry is better off having a normal pistol so they don’t have to use their AT rifle and waste their ammo on infantry as you do dread.