Joint suggestions for several automatic rifles

Thanks to the people constantly arguing against changes to weapons until one of their counterparts recieve a similar change I shall be tackling them all at once (because if you only bring up one weapon that automaticly means you support every other weapon in the game as it is right now). Not flooding the forum with a unique suggestion post for each weapon is also a positive.


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Propposed changes:

  • Increase reload time by making it reload through clips.
Reasoning:

BR 3 semi-auto rifles should either be low capacity magazine fed or fed through clips, for the sake of balance. Also, just like British riflemen armed with Lee-Enfields, Soviet soldiers armed with SVT-38s were usualy only issued one spare magazine (if any) and the rest of th extra ammunition was carried in clips.

Currently, the SVT-38 is just a faster reloading Gewehr 41, and therefor objectively better, therefor increasing reload speed to something closer to it’s peers is more than justified.

This change would both be for balance and for historical authenticity. The Sniper version would not be impacted as the scope in game would not get in the way of clips, so change it as well.

  • Buff damage to 12.7.
Reasoning:

With the recent buff to the FG 42 series once again affirming that the standard damage of a full-powered automatic rifle is 12.7 it is only right that we start doing the same for all such weapons, and would double as compensation for the reload time nerf.


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Propposed changes:

  • Lower reload time to 4.0.
Reasoning:

Even for a dual-clip loaded rifle it’s time is slow, the only dual-clip loaded weapon that is slower is the Pavesi SVT (more about that one later). It’s peers are all otherwise way faster, the Johnson M1941 is 3.4, the SMLE Mk III is 4.0, the Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk I is 3.8 and the Type 4 is 4.0. Lowering the time to 4.0 would make it closer to it’s peers (just average), but still slower than the more refined No. 4 rifle and the side loaded Johnson who both should be faster.

  • Increase damage to 12.7
Reasoning:

Again, the recent update proved the obvious, 12.7 is the standard damage of a automatic rifles in the game, so the G41 deserves the same.


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Propposed changes:

  • Lower reload time to 4.4
Reasoning:

Reloading this thing feels like it visibly changes you, 5.4 is rediciolus, a full second lower would still make it one of the worst in the game, 0.4 second difference is still noticeable and would make it a interesting tactical choice between the (now hopefully buffed) G41 or the Pavesi (faster reload but lower damage vs slower reload but higher damage).


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  • Lower reload time to 4.6
Reasoning:

Same reasoning as the Pavesi SVT, even if the rifle is a converted SMLE, it still is a SMLE, and should have some of its grace left over. Lowering the reload time by a full second is more than reasonable.

Bonus: The Premium squad connected to the Turner SMLE is American, despite the fact that the rifle is a conversion of a British rifle, that still fires British ammunition and was specificly marketed to the Canadian military. The squad SHOULD be Canadian, not American, the inventor being from the US has no bearing on it as most British weaponry has foreign inventors.


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Propposed changes:

  • Increase reload time to 3.6
Reasoning:

The Johnson was recently lowered from BR III to BR IV, 3.4 reloadspeed might have been justified and nessesary in BR IV but in BR III it’s too fast. I understand that loading from the side does speed things up over standard top, but 3.4 is unnaturally fast when looking at it (especially with reload perk). Increasing it by 0.2 seconds will be enough to make the operator human again and make the thing balanced for its BR, whilst still retaining the benefits of side loading.


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Propposed changes:

  • Increase damage to 12.7
Reasoning:

Again, the standard for semi-automatic rifles is provably 12.7, and combined with its magazine size (the same as the Johnson M1941) and its reload time (a meager 4.0 seconds) it does not offer any advantages that warrants a lower damage.

Now, you could argue that that the 7.7mm Japanese round is weaker than the US 30-60, but the difference is negligible at best (I don’t think anyone here on this forum would be able to tell me which one of these two bullets they where shot by). Besides the premium semi-automatic rifles that shoot the .303 (also a technically weaker round similar to the 7.7mm) deal a flat 14.0 damage, so clearly there can be some bending to the rules.

Therefor, I belive it is only just the Japanese rifle deals the same 12.7 damage as everyone else.


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  • Increase damage to 12.7
Reasoning:

Once again, this one is defying convention. All other FG rifles were just changed to 12.7, this one should be no different.

  • Seperate Krieghoff FG ammo pool from all other FGs.
Reasoning:

I see some people saying this is still the case, well it shouldn’t be. The magazines are obviously different, and I am fairly certain not interchangeable.


Thank you dear reader for your time.

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Yes.

Would at least make it unique. With less cringed voices…

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Im surprised how few people liked this suggestion, even though it only suggests making all BR3 rifles reload via clips and unify the damage, 12.7 and 15.3 max upgraded.
Im sure many people actually agree because its all very reasonable, they just couldn’t read all of this.
Once again proving that people can’t read more than 3 minutes. Shame.

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Well some of us are opposite ends of the day :stuck_out_tongue: (only just seen it)

I agree with the speeding up of stripper reloads, adding stripper reload to SVT 38.


As a side question. Do all the different stripper reloads need to be different speeds if the are using 2x5 strips? I mean the garand can be (slighlty different), but the rest seem pretty much the same in principle (have not verified). Same speed shouldnt be an issue?

I have stripper clips at home for my enfield…its simple enough…anyone know a reason for validating different speeds? (gun based not user based)

Example: Why would loading a Turner rifle with strippers be so much slower than loading an Enfield with Strippers?, or a G41 or a SVT 38 for that matter? They all load the same way so…

My thought being, Unify the 2x 5 round stripper reload? (Im not as fussed about unifying the damage (exept in special cases such as facing body armor), If I had to choose Id prefer the reload…Damage can be a point of difference)


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I’m down for stripper clip reloads on all (and it was pretty common to reload through clipper strips as you didn’t have to manually load each bullet into the mag before battle).

But only if the recoil is reduced on semi autos. It’s way too high at the moment (how can automatic versions have smoother recoil than a semi auto version).

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a little extra support

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Imo that’s the opposite, it’s SF rifles having too little recoil. Even less than MGs despite being much lighter

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semi autos are still too jumpy, as I swear half the time (especially the Gewehr 41) unless I spam 10 bullets down range, my follow up shots are slower than a Kar 98, which really shouldn’t be the case.

I don’t have such issues. I use G41 “daily” and it’s recoil doesn’t bother me at all.

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Considering that no one has yet to openly object, I think you’re right. I think I’m proposing reasonable changes and I’m not seeking to advantage any one side or the other, and I hope these get forwarded.


My thinking is that some designs are more refined and more ergonomicly sensible. Yours is not wrong either, by the by, I just think that them being slightly different makes sense.

I essentially see 4.0 as “the standard”, and then other weapons are either slower or faster depending on certain factors such as in game performance or real world characteristics.

For example, the Lee-Enfields are noted for being overall well designed and smooth to operate, including the methods of loading, so they deserve a slightly faster speed. The Johnson is side-loaded, which is in theory a ergonomically improvement (I would personally put it at the same level as the Enfields, but I think that would be controversial so I only have it a slighly lower speed than it has now). Meanwhile, automatic rifles with higher than average damage (Pavesi SVT, Turner SMLE) needs some drawback, so a noticeable (but not ridiculous) increase to the reload time is still warranted, unless we equalize their damage too, either bringing all rifles up to their standard or bringing them down to the rest of the rifles. I’m not nessesarily opposed to either change, but I didn’t want this discussion being part of the main topic, so I only offered changes based on the current framework.

The slower reload on the G41 was also a conscious descision to appease anyone who might argue I’m unfairly buffing Germany, I don’t want to give those fellows ammunition.


I’m going to have to agree with @VoyoMayPL on this, they’re fine as they are, and I have not noticed them being “less fast” for accurate shots compared to bolt-actions. They do require more experience to get used to, but once you got that taking accurate follow-up shots become way faster than any bolt-action in the game.

The biggest problem is that you don’t nessesarily feel the recoil on bolt-actions the same way you to with automatic rifles. The recoil is interrupted by the racking of the bolt, which temporarily throws you out of aiming down the sights, and then you’re brought back after the recoil has stopped effecting your characted, but when you do the same with a automatic rifle your eyes stay on the sights and you just notice the recoil more.

fair enough :+1:

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The .303 and 7.62R Stripper Clips are notoriously bad and you can get rim-lock which would massively slow you down, that’s all I can think of. Doesn’t explain the slow G41 reload though, as Mauser stripper clips are notoriously good.

Don’t think the “and” should be there, they were bad because of rimlock, but if you remember to stack the ammunition in the clip right it’s smooth (can’t speak for the Russian ammunition though, only the .303).

Also, Rim-Lock effects the cycling of the rifle, not the loading…