If the UK would ever get tier V as a standalone nation (which I really hope it never will), the Centurion Mk 1 would probably be a good tank to counter the Tiger II. But other than that, I once again agree with you - as for now, no US or British tank in the game deserves to be in tier V if we judge them against the German and Soviet tier V tanks.
Unless they choose to allow Post-War but Pre-Korean War stuff
Tanks like Centurion II (November 1945)
Or
FV201 from 1947, which is basically a Caernarvon but with a 17 Pounder
I would change the m4a2 76w with m4a3e8. The m4a2 76w was used by ussr
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Whilst its definitely going to such in Enlisted if its added due to its exposed crew, at least the penetration should be correct
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I’ve made one for the A34 Comet as well.
The APDS Penetration is based off this report which basically corrected some errors. Initially the British believed the 77mm APDS had 1130m/s muzzle velocity but it turned out it was only 1036m/s and thus they corrected themselves and updated the penetration figures. They are stated at 30 degrees.
1st Gen APDS slope Modifiers from WWII Ballistics: Armour and Gunnery
At 0 degrees = 1.00
At 30 degrees = 1.23
At 60 degrees = 3.57
77mm APDS - 1036m/s
Penetration:
224mm @ 0 Yards at 0 °
182mm @ 0 Yards at 30 ° (182 x 1.23 = 224)
63mm @ 0 Yards at 60 ° (63 x 3.57 = 224)
The 77mm / 17 pdr APDS details:
Projectile Weight: 2.68kg
Penetrator Core Diameter: 38mm
Penetrator Core Weight: 1.74kg
Muzzle Velocity:
77mm OQF Gun = 3400fps / 1036mps
17 Pounder Gun = 3950fps / 1204mps
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The only thing i want about Japanese tanks is a buff to the HE of 47mm guns, so the Chi-He and the Shinhoto Chi-Ha are actually playable.
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I honestly believe Japanese should get some sort of special mechanic added to them at BR5 instead of getting fantasy tanks and weapons. More movement speed and better charges, bigger squads, special anti tank artillery - or who knows what.
These prototypes are all looking like nothing out of WW2.
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Also imagine the Tiger II H never would have been added, which would have meant that Jumbo Panther and co could have been already BR5.
Staying with the Tiger II P was such a nice power compromise, but nooo, now we are looking at Pershings vs Japanese fairy tale tanks.
The E8 wasn’t even used in combat…
Easy eight sherman was used in ww2
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I have a major issue with the O-I, and it’s already been said many times: it is way too damn big. The Tiger II is 7.4m long, the O-I is 10m. The width is also a whole meter higher in the O-I.
Also, the O-I crew is supposed to be 11 men, which is even more than a Trooper Squad, and otherwise the tank would be half-empty.
It wouldn’t fit maps well, so I don’t think it should be implemented. Instead just put in the prototype version of the Ho-Ri, the one in War Thunder, and just name it Ho-Ri III.
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I’m not sure if infusing the Spirit of Yamato into Japanese soldiers is a good solution:)
And on a more serious note, I think the best solution is just not forcing Japan into tier V. For me Japan is fine as is, the only thing they really need is stronger tanks (but within the limits of the current four BRs).
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yeah but Ho-Ri III is a paper tank
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wouldn’t be battlepass, would be either event or premium if it’s not in TT
It’s in War Thunder at the very least, and devs are working on it already. We’ve passed the “historically accurate” line long time ago, we should now be focusing on balance within reasonable historical inaccuracies (like the RD-44 seeing use, or the Chi-Nu being used (they never entered combat)). We shouldn’t put a M1 Abrams on Normandy, but it isn’t unreasonable to give the Japanese Chi-Nus to use because otherwise they’d be fucked.
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The US never fought the japanese in the Pacific with M4A3E2 or M4A2 (76) or M26 Either.
The US used M3 Stuarts all war and it wasnt until 1944 that the US started mass deploying Shermans and even then they only used the 75mm armed ones at best (and the 105mm howitzer version)
But eventually US will get things like M26 Pershing and face Japan in Enlisted so yeah
Although… the US did deploy M26 Pershings to Okinawa after they already defeated the Japanese in preperation for the invasion of the Japanese Home Islands. Thats why im suggesting things like Ka-To TD , O-I Heavy and Ho-Ri II for the Japanese.
For me… Japanese Tier 5 should be played on Japanese Home Islands maps in a alternate history scenario where the Americans are invading the home islands.
Yea if enlisted become “alternate ww2” then all these things would be fine imo even the O-I
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Tier 1-4 Japan would be the more accurate stuff
Tier 5 should have its own seperate alternate history matchmaker
Japan vs Allies on Japanese Home Islands maps that you can only play in at tier 5
Japan vs USSR maps on Kuril Islands that you also only will get at Tier 5
Dont care about jap tanks. And any jap player worth their salt wouldnt bother with them.
The Chi-Nu is good just bad penetration implementation by gaijin
Furthermore its gaijins fault for putting it at tier 4 instead of tier 3
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