tell that to a grayzoner or a tank way behind I guess bombs are what you might suggest but cant allies do the same for Tiger II H ?!
āPen values from WT for Pantherā - they are already there and Panther A/G can damage Jumbo from the front even at the distance.
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OH didnāt know thx
Again try going through weak spot at long ranges not gonna happen 9 out of 10 times its like saying you can pen T 34 with PZ IV F1 you can through the turret chicks but you have to get close cuase at long range the shot becomes hard
Not all tanks noā¦but also Depends which one you use.
30mm HEI wrecks infantry, open top tanks and the calliope
30mm HVAP can wreck tanks (premium)
So what ? After the update Jumbo will meet many other tanks than Panzer IV - mainly better.
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The 21cm rockets suck at it and you only get 2 pairs vs 5 pairs of HVARs or 3 pairs of M8s with better ballisticā¦
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So what ? They are more than enough to destroy a Jumbo, and it is the most armoured Allied tank at the moment.
There are are absolutely no reasons to give Germans their equivalent of Yak- 9T / 9K.
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So I assume you are happy with the current situation ?
So jumbo is fine regardless of its shortcomings and no competent tank is needed ?
Nor there were reason to give soviets panzerfausts but what ya gonna do.
I am not happy, because Allies do not have any real counter for Tiger II H at the moment (only P-47D-28).
As of Jumbo - yes, it is fine. Because at the moment Germans have enough weapons to kill a Jumbo (Panther A/G, bombs + rockets, Panzerfaust + Panzerschreck) and after the update they will get even more (Tiger II P/ H, Jagdpanzer + Granatwerfer 42).
Game balance is always more important than historical accuracy.
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Neither does germany have such efficient planes
So keep the lackluster jumbo and allies got theyr planes ?
Sure, but cant really cherrypick.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Even Bf 109 from Moscow has better turn time than P-47D, not to mention planes from Berlin and Tunisia.
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not exactly sure how it will help against tanks, especiatly that 30mm.
But if thats your argument then just give jumbo more reverse speed and its balanced.
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It does not have to help agains the tanks - it is only your dumb idea 
If you play Germans and you have problems with destroying allied tanks, then I recommend to start playing some other faction, because your āideasā will only damage the damage.
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Quite sure entire discussion began from allies having better cas capability.
So that 30mm & better turn doesnt exactly help with cas.
Okay, so what you are saying is keep the things as they are.
Allies got theyr cas and germans got the tanks ?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Besides the fact that it allows a player to counter one plane (P-47) with another (Bf).
No. Allies need to have some counter (tank / mortar / AT weapon) for Tiger II H, or at least have a tank which offers some protection from 88 KwK43 cannon.
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Okay so no more cas for germans because
But allies need tanks because
Hey atleast you got detpacks, they probably work better against tanks than 30mm cannon 
Gotcha, good reasoning.
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Dude, I can kill a tank with Det pack, which rely less skill than landing 21cm rockets on a tank btw, doesnāt mean german planes are just fine while other nations has better rockets planes, would be less pain in the 4ss if the BF110G2 37mm actually shoot HVAP ammo to kill tanks as it intendedā¦ but nope, stuck with the 21cm that need to land on the center mass of the tank to work
And in terms of payload, 2 pairs of 21cm optimally can squad wipe at least 2 times if you land on the squad, but HVARs and M8? You have 3 ~ 6 pairs with those which is better in every sense
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HVAPs might be better than Wfr.Gr.21ā¦ but - what for ?
Germans have enough tanks and weapons to counter Allied tanks, and after the update the most armored Allied tank - Jumbo - will be defensless against Panthers, Tiger IIs and Jagdpanthers.
No need to further buff German anti-tank abilities.
Rockets are not the only weapon of Bf 110 C-2.
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