Not really, again just like said I question your rather selective history view.
Which you clearly aint, so your “historical” argument is pointless.
And since you cant provide historical argument here, perhaps you should focus on why on gameplay aspect this needs to be a thing.
If you can do it, then perhaps ppl will support your idea.
I see your documents with masseive penetration from 50m and no penetration from 10m
you should be able to do the 1+1 math here that somethings not exactly functioning here.
Especially for the alternative gifted: Bullets with a steel core barely penetrated body armor, only armor-piercing bullets, as indicated in the photo. Б - steel bullet, C - lead core in the bullet
according to you the last letter indicates bullet type, somehow theres a massive penetration at 50m and not at 10m
which you have failed to explain now 3rd time.
Never heard of ww2 9mm AP ammunition but nice try tho.
I also ain’t use PPsh-41 but personally hate the way community one way route of thinking - nerf nerf nerf. In other hand I never seen here a topic to nerf KT because of it much faster reload for example
Historicaly it can’t penetrate body armor at all far then 70-80 meters. I would like to see a faces of a folks here after no penetration would be given
Why did you come to such a conclusion? Before this, every one of my soldiers wore a cuirass. When I took it off, I saw no difference. So what kind of injustice are they constantly talking about here? Why not just accept it? Oh yeah, that’s an advantage for the USSR… I bet none of you would have said a word if the Germans had used it. A clear example is the PPSh, which everyone wrote about. Who wrote about the Orita and Thompsons? No one. Because the goal has always been, is and will be - the nephr of the USSR faction. And for this, all means are good.
Here’s another good example you’ve given. This needs to be removed, even if it doesn’t affect anything, simply because it’s Soviet.
This is not even an argument. You don’t need 20 fingers to live a normal life, let’s cut off half. The same argument as you. I assume you have a knife and an iron.
Your personal rather biased views are highly irrelevant as it can be proven it does infact make differency is the gun 2hit kill or 3 hit kill.
Oh the poor soviets : (
Atleast then you could pretend its balanced since soviet guns in early BR are way better than GE counter parts.
At high BR they are somewhat equal these days and there the bodyarmor hardly matters.
A broken TT weapon.
You did, as in some twisted way TT -/- premium / event weapons.
I havent personally seen a single orita for ages ( Im sure you see them in every game ) so they arent exactly comparable to TT weapon ( Which I bet you never saw in use )
But for all I care, nerf them.
Irony here is that those who have orita actually paid for it to get the same dispersion that was freely granted for soviets.
Well its the only faction that has gotten way too much pampering so in that sense you are right.
But you do fail to explain why removal of bodyarmor matters as it clearly according to you doesnt.
So why are you so against it ?
Well I only have 10 and always had, so those imaginary extra 10 are all yours for all I care.
I can imagine 20 fingers having some use I guess … like it would make you a crazy piano player - potentially of course.
but yea,
well okay, so you dont notice a difference - I however do, I am specifically one of the few lost souls that actually plays his FG 42 on semi auto, and one hit kills vs two hit kills are a massive difference.
most of us - probably… Germany players are known to be crying non stop, but all of us? I do consider myself quite open to such balance discussions, well sounds a bit arrogant I know, but I honestly believe this to be true.
All that being said - I repeat what I asked: if it makes no difference, then why even defend it? a nerf will not matter to you, while it will matter greatly to me and others, this would literally be a win - win.
But! you already gave your answer:
you are against this, for the entire purpose of not being for another USSR nerf - which can be understandable in the right context, but I really dont see how the USSR faction right now is in a dire state and needs love - outside of IS2 reloading forever, I really see no single weakness with Soviets.
First of all, it’s your problem. No one is obliged to adapt to you. Secondly, I have asked you many times to show in practice how you lose because of the cuirass. You have not done it. You are simply making unfounded assertions. I do not believe you anymore.
Yes, all of you, including you. I’ve seen enough over the years to say that only a few people on this forum are capable of constructive dialogue.
This is an absolute lie. You are not capable of this. The proof is your stupid question.
Excuse me of course, but what kind of open discussion can we talk about if your position is:
If the cuirass gives an advantage, it should be removed
If the cuirass does not give an advantage, it should be removed.
Nonsense. YOU are not capable of constructive dialogue.
I repeat, most people on this forum hate communism as an ideology and hate the USSR as a country. And they project their hatred onto a set of pixels in a computer game that have nothing to do with either the country or the ideology.
No one says, hey, let’s remove all the bonuses from cosmetics. You say, let’s remove the bonuses from the cuirass.
Those who don’t say, let’s fix the dispersion of submachine guns like Orita, PPSh and Thompson. No, you’re only talking about the PPSh.
And this happens on any issue. Any historical information and documents from the USSR or Russia are always belittled and ignored.
It has always been this way, it will always be this way.
Best wishes.