I like to watch how any victory turns out to be insignificant, and any losses are forgotten. There’s a clear reason for this. Instead of celebrating the end of the conflict, someone has the audacity to say that a well-executed operation wasn’t good enough. It’s both ridiculous and pathetic. Just think about it - where did all those Soviet tanks come from in August 1945? And to think that they were secretly transported halfway across the planet - is that a joke? And is it a joke to cross the Khingan mountain ranges by vehicle and get behind enemy lines? It’s pointless to argue about it.
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soviets have lot of credit for ending germany… not so much about japan. if japan had army that was not depleted by chinese and US, results would be closer to khalkin gol. but i guess that in your mind, soviets were the one who ended the war with japan cause they captured army full of underequipped recruits.
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Well, that is 4 years was not enough in Japan to prepare a fortified area there. They also did not have enough 1000000 people. And fighting on occupied land with the Chinese, of course, made Japanese soldiers recruits. Logic.
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In fact, Japanese pilots took their wives with them and crashed into Soviet tanks, as tank crew members wrote in their memoirs. Others rushed out of secret burrows with explosive packages right under the tracks. Powerful pillboxes with machine guns were created. And all this had to be stormed.Therefore, any attempt to give away the hardest battles, about 34,000 Soviet soldiers died for an easy walk. Well, on the one hand, it’s certainly not very smart. But on the other hand, it’s not very decent.
And most importantly, perhaps intentionally, perhaps by oversight, the fact is overlooked that the country that so painly completed the defeat of Germany was forced to re-enter the war 3 months later. To finish it. Of course, the memory of those who gave such a confident and rapid victory speaks of the high professionalism, competent planning and in the high technological superiority of the Soviet army in that war.
do you know in what state japan was in that time? majority of divisions in manchuko didnt exist before 1945. in okinawa lot of japanese soldiers were between 14-17 years old(idk for manchuko). majority of suicide bombers were ~17 years old.
do you think that nation that had 1 million fully capable soldiers would force high schoolers to fight on their home islands?
Including the Japanese forces in Korea, the Kwantung Army had over 900,000 men in 31 divisions and 13 brigades; there were about 400 obsolescent tanks and 2,000 aircraft (of the 1040 aircraft in Manchuria, only 230 were combat types and 55 were modern[35]).[36] However, the Kwantung Army was far below its authorized strength; most of its heavy equipment and all of its best military units had transferred to the Pacific Theater over the previous three years to contend with the advance of American forces. Some Kwantung Army units had also re-deployed south against the Nationalist Chinese in Operation Ichigo in 1944. By 1945 the Kwantung Army contained a large number of raw recruits and conscripts, with generally obsolete, light, or otherwise limited equipment. Almost all of the tanks were early 1930s models such as the Type 95 Ha-Go and Type 89 I-Go, the anti-tank units only possessed Type 1 37 mm anti-tank guns that were ineffective against Soviet armor, and the infantry had very few machine-guns and no anti-materiel rifles or submachine guns. As a result, the Japanese forces in Manchuria and Korea had essentially been reduced to a light-infantry counter-insurgency force with limited mobility and limited ability to fight a conventional land war against a coordinated enemy. In fact, only six of the Kwantung Army’s divisions existed prior to January 1945. Accordingly, the Japanese regarded none of the Kwantung Army’s units as combat ready, with some units being declared less than 15% ready.[37]
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they were dying to america tank, panes, ships and subs, america that fought three times as many over 5 years and killed many more soldiers sailor and pilots. HyperWar: Japanese Naval and Merchant Shipping Losses During World War II
2 years, or 33% of the war isnt normally considered the beginning, especially for a war that we tend to forget they very much helped start.
Honestly total Soviet W, even looking at loses, considering you had the likes of Rehzev to compare to at this point, a great victory, one of the 3 turning points of the war imo, itself, Victory in NA and the Battle of Midway.
Liberation is a very strong word here.
Debatable however I dont wish to defend either type of authoritarian scum. Both disgust me.
Normally one looks to the 3 suns rising above Japan to the cause of their surrender, especially considering how much of a disprganised mess the Kwantung forces were, and how poorly equipped they were, honestly I could go on forever shit talking them, fuck the imperial japs, they got off way too lightly.
Saying all that, you are dumb if you say the Soviet Union was not one of the main reasons for an overall allied victory in WW2. Though only in equal part to the US who also joined “fashionably late” and frankly the UK, I think many of us, myself included, forget quite how much the UK contributed to total allied Victory all in all.
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Well you can read a manual you know:
JM-154.pdf
Its very detailed and Manchuria was very important to Japan since Japan don’t have resources to this day. That’s why they needed to expand militaristically in the first place it was the most important conquest Japan made:
As you can see all the industrial capabilities where in Manchukuo zaibatsu was created with majority of the Steel industry. Shōwa Steel Works the company utilized low-grade iron ore from the region, mining 950,000 tons in 1934. 1934, Japan’s steel industry heavily relied on imported iron ore, with domestic mining contributing a small percentage of the total needs. While Japan had some iron ore reserves, they were limited, and the country depended on imports, particularly from China and British Malaya, for the majority of its supply. Shōwa Steel Works, established in Manchuria, was a major producer of iron and steel, but it also relied on imported ore. So as you can imagine without this territorial expansions there was not going to be Japanese Empire since majority of the resources needed by Japan came exactly from this 2 places. Imperial Japanese Navy and Imperial Japanese Army (IJA) where separated US fought mainly the Navy and The Imperial Japanese Army had significantly more soldiers than the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II. So do the math. Majority of the Japanese Army was defeated well by China… You should realize that majority of the Japanese army was not in the pacific. Japan would not just split majority of its forces in China if China was not more important then the pacific. Compare Battle of Wuhan with any US Japanese engagement and do the math …
just to be clear…
Well yes Battle of Wuhan is the biggest WW 2 battle that Japan fought during WW 2 much bigger then any other engagement they had. That’s why I aways wanted to have more mainland China battles in Enlisted. Very interesting locations.
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if manchuria was the most important area with japans best army its clear the army got the navy rejects cause they sucked.
Well if you have no steel and oil how your industry gonna work ?
Operation Ichi-Go was the biggest operation Japan ever made. Just compare the Battle of Wuhan with Battle of Okinawa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuriano im talking about this where a lager better equiped battle hardened army fought a bunch of green recruits with even more antiquated weapons then they started the war with
Japanese invasion of Manchuria - Wikipedia
not the start of the war when japan had a smaller professional army
im talking about 1944 the beginning of the collapse
southern china and pacific us uk and colonial powers and the us had hard fighting manchuria when ussr attack was the soft belly and reserve of the army
Well the Army was separated from the Navy the army in Manchuria was professional simply was not the Navy. They where veterans from the war in China. They destroyed 300-600 Soviet tanks and some where even IS-2 tanks. Not to mention big part of the Japanese Army was supported and recruited from Chinese warlords. But even this battle was much smaller then Wuhan battle. However the lost of IS-2 tanks is reported only by the Japanese side. The Soviets never said they lost so its a bit unclear. But soviets also used old tanks like BT 5,BT 7 and T 26 even not only T-34 and SU 100. So the Soviet Army was mix it was not the newest equipment only.
Well the Army was separated from the Navy the army in Manchuria was professional simply was not the Navy. They where veterans from the war in China. They destroyed 300-600 Soviet tanks and some where even IS-2 tanks. Not to mention big part of the Japanese Army was supported and recruited from Chinese warlords. But even this battle was much smaller then Wuhan battle. However the lost of IS-2 tanks is reported only by the Japanese side. The Soviets never said they lost so its a bit unclear.
i am just saying if the ussr claims to have done the most to defeat Germany i would believe them. if they claimed to have done the most to defeat Japan i would give them the number of a good phycologist.
Well absolutely not China and United States sacrificed the most against Japan. USSR had minor casualties during this operations compared to the European theater. I really wish they make Battle of Mutanchiang in Enlisted sadly we cant get Wuhan very interesting battle.
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WW2 was a big enough war for everybody to have a piece. Uk, US, ussr, Italy, Japan Germany and many more tens of millions of soldiers and civilians died. There are still a lot of corners of WW2 to be explored.
I bet Poland really felt liberated after thousands of soldiers and officers were shot/murdered/executed and thrown into a mass grave. They then liberated Berlin so had they had to put up a wall to keep easy berilners out. Katyn massacre - Wikipedia
russia is all about quantity even in war crimes
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the Japanese themselves