This AT PJ 4 maybe will can normal penetrate jumbo
As long as damage models are as broken as they are is pointless to even talk about it, a garbage pz 3 in this game can destroy a jumbo from the front, i can shoot him all day in the front, get penetration every time and still not killing shit, the only effective way to kill german tanks is shooting at the sides and is not just a normandy problem, garbage t60 vs my pz 3 yesterday in moscow, it took 16 fucking ap rounds to destroy it and i was penetrating every single time, damage models are still broken and they are not doing a thing to fix them.
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Same gun as on Pz4, so no luck with that.
i’m aware of that and they also showed us the m10 which also isn’t in the game
i found one thing so far that said the m61 shell was there on d-day U.S. 75mm M61 Tank Round (WWII) - Inert-Ord.Net though, and other that said the m61 replaced the m72 and the wiki said “usually firing m61”
Yeah, found the same thing. Even in Africa they had the M61. That shell should have no problem in destroying the Pz4H, but you are probably correct they currently have the solid shot one (M72).
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It’s not that tragic. It’s the second time I one shotted Jumbo from the front with PZ III N (through MG port ofc).
You asked about videos, here there are.
First video starts with little height advantage but continues on same lvl. There was also a dangerous moment when I was driving down and showed him my roof:
Second video is more about armor of Pz. IV against Jumbos:
I had to be carefull on that round bcs there were tank pilots that were always aiming for a gun so I didn’t aim properly.
Overall I think it’s good enough to show that Pz. IV has fine armor against Jumbo and good firepower unless you show them side under a good angle or a roof that can be penetrated very easy.
I also has 2 part video where I destroyed Jumbo in 3 shots but it’s not very represantable bcs opp showed his side in final moments and I got him on surprise.
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That is clearly a bug as you should not be able to penetrate it with short Kwk 37 75mm APCBC rounds…
If you ask me it only shows how retarded this marker mechanic is. Shooting at MG port or whatever weak-spot that you cant even see.
Second thing it could prove is that Pz4H turret is bugged. If they hit you in the turret from that distance, you should have been long dead. They did land lots of shots into your own gun, but they cant kill you that way.
Anyway, thanks for the effort.
I didn’t see it,I don’t know.
Otherwise, what is the meaning of it then?Maybe they will replace it with another one.
Jumbo is terrible precisely for its unhistorical and not for its frontal armor.
They will probably add it, like they did in Berlin. Front armor is good on that thing, but gun is same as in Pz4.
I don’t mind Jumbo that much, I mind that is the same tier as Pz4H. They could just rename current campaigns to Liberation of France, Barbarossa, Drive to Berlin… or something like that. It has such a huge armor advantage that it is just not fair.
They clearly need to expand their campaigns, otherwise they will not have a normal online and freedom of action.
Only the tank destroyer is located in Berlin, not in Moscow.
Oh … thinking of Berlin and wrote Moscow … 
Corrected, tnx.
Things happen
now I see a post where a guy send screenshots showing a “hidden nerf” where a Puma can penetrate a Jumbo’s frontal armour.
Maybe devs are touching armours because are broken, or maybe is because they want tier 1 tanks can kill high end tanks (wich has no sense for me)
thanks for the info.
well, i think, it’s actually good.
for gameplay reasons.
but again, it’s my personal thinking.
if they don’t want to remove the jumbo, but actually nerf it, than it’s ok i guess.
next step, which i’m sure will eventually come, the armor get fixed. so pz III will not survive questionable shots.
yep, but imagine what will happens when devs ad Jagdpanzer to fight against Jumbo… Jumbo will be literally owned.
I would like tanks where rock/paper/scissors.
I agree a Puma can kill Jumbo if he flank and get the side. (then is Jumbo’s crew fault) but not frontal. I say Jumbo, as I can say an m5a1 vs PzIIIN.
it should work, if you are in an m5a1 and see a pzIIIN, don’t go for it because you can’t do nothing, your job is to help your infantry. if you have a tier 2 tank, you can kill tier 1 and help infantry. And so for the others.
Like a ladder (I explain again because I know my English is not so good)
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well, you can still pen lower armor. and around the tracks, they got ammo.
personally, i don’t.
exept, if no one deals with it, someone is using the tank spot where should cover that aspect.
that’s the main point.
tank should be used against other tanks, and eventually support infantry.
not just run away and do what infantry mainly does already.
ladder?
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like a ladder I mean, you can kill lower tanks (in frontal combat) but you can’t higher tanks.
Higher tiers must be killed with infantry, demo charges, planes or other high tier tanks. so if I’m using a tier 1 tank and I see a tier 3, I must flank him or let others kill him. in a frontal combat I wouldn’t kill him.
when I was low, I did this. so when I was with my m5a1 and see a pzIII, I tried to flank or go to another point. or simply, change to my infantry and throw demo charges to kill him.