I played 100 matches post Merge. Comprehensive review and suggestions before Steam release

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

you completely lost it.

Examples so i don't look like a fool

you use m50s on tankers

fnabs on german tankers.

runs with mp40 silenced weapons:

across time, he still uses fnabs with an mp38

kiralys on german tankers:

uses proto weapons and full of stgs

runs with soviet paras with only smg and no variety

uses ww1 weapons among the dak corp

dunno how even to describe this one. but i can tell you the german army only used mp40s on a large scale for piooneers.

mp34s were not issued to pilots.

uses protos in the japan

panzergrenadiers never were issued with fgs

let alone a driver with a mp 717

good luck defending this one

or this one

@Veekay45

USSR BR5 – first ever try, and I’m absolutely not gonna use fake guns like AS, AF or RPD.

Keeping it real

*yet uses AVTS

which weren’t issued to para. let alone the army.

soviet tankers with thommies? mhhh

do i need to say more?

forgot to mention.

you also run engineers. which are by nature immersion breaking as they can simply bring an entire army through a small radio and build stuff out of nothing.

so… yeah. you tell me.

all of your loadouts that idk how you can defend with " muh immersion ".*

i’m sure there are more, but only these glims i was able to notice on your thread.

i find it funny that someone who defends immersion and demands HA aspects he is the first one to not abbide by his own " rules ".

go figure.

( p.s. i do run too with certain non historical squads from time to time, but at least i admit that. i do not attempt to hide it or deny it like you do )

[Adamnpee]

It doesn’t matter, it’s already too late for implementing such huge rebalance. They should have done that with merge.

I was just triggered, which is why I continued to argue in this pointless discussion.

[Veekay45]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

Examples so i don’t look like a fool

I’m sorry my friend but you do look like a fool trying to gotcha me on something I never claimed.

Where are the Volksturm weapons in my early war load outs?

Where are the high BR matches on Starlingrad?

Where are my Pz IV J games in early war?

Where is a single game where I have AS, RPD or Fedorov equipped?

I don’t believe you are as dense as to not understand that I never cared about what was issued to paras or whatnot?

MP 38 is now somehow bad?
Engineers?
Lol please

The only thing I care about is lack of fakes and blatant time travelling.

In any case, as Adanpee just stated, who cares.

You don’t like my suggestions? Go ahead find your own way.

[robihr]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

i find it funny that someone who defends immersion and demands HA aspects he is the first one to not abbide by his own " rules ".

well i find problem in that he only looks at tanks for HA/HI and not other weapons. e.g. what if someone has crusader and springfields equipped? springfields were mainly used in pacific, while crusader in tunisia. you could probably make dozens of such combinations where you could confuse MM with its priorities.

not to mention MM doesnt run 2 separate queues for pacific and tunisia so you could prioritize one queue over the other. queue is based on FIFO principle, First In First Out. so whatever nation first gets 10 players, those maps get played

@Veekay45

The only thing I care about is lack of fakes and blatant time travelling.

and this is the problem. you care about this, someone else cares about something else etc.
you simply cannot indulge everyone with their demands.

btw your statement is incorrect. you clearly also care about place those weapons were used.

[Veekay45]

@robihr

btw your statement is incorrect. you clearly also care about place those weapons were used.

This is true, I stand corrected.

FG-42 started being used in 1942, but it should not appear in North Africa.

@robihr

and this is the problem. you care about this, someone else cares about something else etc.
you simply cannot indulge everyone with their demands

While this is not wrong I believe my suggestions listed in the post are very basic and by most part wouldn’t alter any BRs or balance at all, just make the game objectively better.

[robihr]

@Veekay45

While this is not wrong I believe my suggestions listed in the post are very basic

no they arent basic. your suggestion demand tradeoff somewhere else. e.g. prioritizing lvt in pacific or crusader in tunisia comes at the cost of longer queue times.

if you are demanding that KT can only be used in berlin, then you need to demand that springfield is only used in pacific and tunisia, you would need to demand that volkssturm weapons are only used by volkssturm troops etc.

[Veekay45]

@robihr

prioritizing lvt in pacific or crusader in tunisia comes at the cost of longer queue times.

No… it’s preference of maps ingame, not longer times.

If there is a BR2 US player with LVT looking for a game and Pacific and Tunisia lobbies are being created, he would be placed to Pacific with higher probability than somewhere else.

@robihr

if you are demanding that KT can only be used in berlin

I never said this. It was also used in Ardennes.

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@Veekay45

I’m sorry my friend but you do look like a fool trying to gotcha me on something I never claimed.

Where are the Volksturm weapons in my early war load outs?

Where are the high BR matches on Starlingrad?

Where are my Pz IV J games in early war?

Where is a single game where I have AS, RPD or Fedorov equipped?

I don’t believe you are as dense as to not understand that I never cared about what was issued to paras or whatnot?

let me remind you:

@ErikaKalkbrenner

( p.s. i find it funny that both you and V complains about immersions, yet both of you run the most immersion breaking loadouts in your own armies with no cohesive pattern or reasoning )

@Veekay45

What?

Find a single game replay where I use AS, Fedorov, RPD or drive in IS-2 in Stalingrad.
I dare you.

@ErikaKalkbrenner

are you kidding?

you forgot your entire 100 battles thread or something?

you do realize we can see your own loadouts through the initial pictures that you send right?

you completely lost it.

not even self aware

i specifically mentioned that your loadouts are not " immersive " and i don’t know how you can defend them.

yet you talk fuck all about immersion despite not abbiding to your own rules.

which as much i can understand immersion isn’t totally historical accurate. yeah. yours don’t even come cloes to be immersive.

@Veekay45

MP 38 is now somehow bad?

considering that it was only given to Feldgendarmerie units and very rare occasions to SS units, yeah. tankers never received one.

@Veekay45

Engineers?

yes.

engineers being the first very immersive breaking things.

unless you’re into disneyland / bob the builder type of immersion.

you do you.

but don’t find sorry excuses to back behind the " muh immersion " when there is literally one and you don’t believe it too given your own loadouts.

@Veekay45

You don’t like my suggestions? Go ahead find your own way.

i did sayed that i agree for the most part about it.

i just told you why that hasn’t been the case, and why those are just nitpicks of yours which will not change the game for everyone else just because you dislike that.

just saying

[robihr]

@Veekay45

If there is a BR2 US player with LVT looking for a game and Pacific and Tunisia lobbies are being created, he would be placed to Pacific with higher probability than somewhere else.

this is not how queue works. you only get one lobby at the time created. there are no 2 simultaneous lobbies being created.

@Veekay45

I never said this. It was also used in Ardennes.

same thing. then you would need to divide all weapons based on year/place of use and have complex rules that would confuse most of the casual players on what and where they can play.

[Wieloglow]

@Veekay45

FG-42 started being used in 1942, but it should not appear in North Africa.

How can you get FG-42 in Tunisia, if it is restricted to Stalingrad and Berlin (BR V) ???

[Veekay45]

@robihr

this is not how queue works. you only get one lobby at the time created. there are no 2 simultaneous lobbies being created

I don’t know if you have some inside data but I feel like it’s impossible that e.g. in all of Europe server there is only 1 server with just 20 players within the 1-2 minutes of queuing time.

Or the game is doing way worse in terms of player numbers than what I thought.

@robihr

same thing. then you would need to divide all weapons based on year/place of use and have complex rules that would confuse most of the casual players on what and where they can play.

Same thing with what? I never mentioned KT in my post.

And there would be no confusion at all.
You still can play with A13 in Normandy and you can fly Seagull in Tunisia, but it would happen not as frequently as their “native” fronts.

[Veekay45]

@Wieloglow

How can you get FG-42 in Tunisia, if it is restricted to Stalingrad and Berlin (BR V)

I was replying to the comment from @robihr that I care not only about time travelling but also front of usage. Like FG in Tunisia or Tiger in Stalingrad, which technically existed bt that time but were clearly not used there.

[Veekay45]

1. Engineers are needed for gameplay.
   Sorry, this is just a dumb argument.
   Going that way you’ll start saying “why do you have more than 1 life?”
   Gameplay.
   Tiger 2 in Stalingrad serves no gameplay because it has Berlin and Seelow, Normandy and Ardennes.

2. I never said that I care about “immersion” to the point of which regiment received which weapons.
   After all it’s a game.
   I always cared about fakes, prototypes and time travelling.

@ErikaKalkbrenner

to this day, i have yet to see how that system would have worked with all the various nitpicks of people like you to make it actually work for the majority

I really need to spell it out step by step?
A. Stalingrad removed from BR 4 5.
B. Normandy and Ardennes removed from BR 1 2.
C. Pz IV J buffed snd moved to BR 4, Pz IV F2/G can do its job just as well, and they work for most if not all maps.
D. Volkssturm weapons removed (moved to BR 4 5) as side unlocks for collectors.
E. Adaptive camo for all vehicles.
F. Seagull and LVT increase probability of Pacific without eliminating other options.

Boom. This game has become MUCH more WW2 friendly without ANY sizable impact in you or any casual Jimmy who doesn’t know jack shit anyway.

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@Veekay45

Engineers are needed for gameplay.
Sorry, this is just a dumb argument.
Going that way you’ll start saying “why do you hve mire than 1 life?”
Gameplay.

double standards.

got it

@Veekay45

I never said that I care about “immersion” to the point of which regiment received which weapons.
After all it’s a game.
I always cared about fakes, prototypes and time travelling.

which… you also use

but… playing stalingrad with tigers 2 is an issue because… ?

isn’t also because it’s a game?
and others people would like to do just that no matter the equipment?

so, they shouldn’t and cannot. but you can dictate what others do or shouldn’t do.

got it.

@Veekay45

A. Stalingrad removed from BR 4 5.
B. Normandy and Ardennes removed from BR 1 2.

which… by definitions, are nitpicks of yours.

is it really necessary?

i’d argue not.

because it’s a game, i’d argue all maps should be playable among all brs. no matter high or low.

the only exception, i would make no soviets on d-day or germans on the pacific.

which, i don’t mind if it would happen, i wouldn’t like it, but makes no difference to me.

because if i want " muh immersion " or historical stuff, i’d do them in the editor. matter of fact, i just did that.

@Veekay45

C. Pz IV J buffed snd moved to BR 4, Pz IV F2/G can do its job just as well, and they work for most if not all maps.

D. Volkssturm weapons removed (moved to BR 4 5) as side unlocks for collectors.

F. Seagull and LVT increase probability of Pacific without eliminating other options.

… why?

because of your own nitpicks?

@Veekay45

E. Adaptive camo for all vehicles.

yep. all good with that.

but then again. people demand premium to be used in other campaigns too.

i wouldn’t mind using volkssturm everywhere, but that’s kinda my own bias.
and then again, some premium units do not change their uniform based on campaign. at least, not anymore.

@Veekay45

Boom. This game has become MUCH more WW2 friendly without ANY sizable impact

first of all, that’s false.

you’re effectively changing for your own liking where stuff goes.
you’re even suggesting to entirely remove or move vollksturm weapons.

despite, i would like to remind you that enlisted is another ww2 game with dubbious historical identity ( just like your own immersion as far as it goes for what’s okey and not ) that aims to be casual and be played by the most amount of players just like war thunder.

@Veekay45

you or any casual Jimmy who doesn’t know jack shit anyway.

that’s quite rich coming from you. not gonna lie.

because it’s a game, and devs allowance is what it’s going for.

not gate keeping it for a handful of few.

[robihr]

@Veekay45

I don’t know if you have some inside data but I feel like it’s impossible that e.g. in all of Europe server there is only 1 server with just 20 players within the 1-2 minutes of queuing time.

you are mistaken on mechanics of the queue. it creates games sequentially not simultaneously. you can have 20 games created sequentially in 5 seconds, but not 20 games created simultaneously. this is difference.

@Veekay45

Same thing with what? I never mentioned KT in my post.

@Veekay45

a) Stalingrad and BR4-5.
I can’t imagine whose idea it was, or why would a battle from late 42 - early 43 qualify as late war, but for some random reason we have Tiger 2s and STGs in Stalingrad, city painstakingly recreated house bu house, poster by poster, toy by toy .
This definitely needs to be fixed. Right now high BR Stalingrad match is an insta quit for me.
Hopefully with the addition of another BR 3-5 map for the USSR, Stalingrad can be left alone to BR 1-3.

like i said you would need to nitpick absolutely every weapon and map for this to work. e.g. fedorov, springfield, m2, m3/m3a1, specific variants of the tanks/planes. then we could add gold order weapons like conders who would be absolutely nowhere.

[Veekay45]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

double standards

Mhm sure.

Find me an example of how engineers and stg in Stalingrad are the same gameplay value?

One is a mechanic, the other is simply time travelling weapon.

@ErikaKalkbrenner

but… playing stalingrad with tigers 2 is an issue because… ?

Because they were never there and they serve no purpose, having other maps, where they were.

@ErikaKalkbrenner

and others people would like to do just that no matter the equipment?

There is no reason to add ridiculous bs where it doesn’t need to be just because.

@ErikaKalkbrenner

nitpicks of yours

@ErikaKalkbrenner

own nitpicks

Seriously after a couple dozen posts you still act surprised that all opinions are obviously my own?

@ErikaKalkbrenner

you’re effectively changing for your own liking where stuff goes.

It’s all still available, just in different decorations, no reason to get mad.

@robihr

it creates games sequentially not simultaneously. you can have 20 games created sequentially in 5 seconds, but not 20 games created simultaneously. this is difference.

If that’s the case, I would love an optional tick I could activate: extend wait time but put me in correct theater.

@robihr

like i said you would need to nitpick absolutely every weapon and map for this to work. e.g. fedorov, springfield, m2, m3/m3a1, specific variants of the tanks/planes. then we could add gold order weapons like conders who would be absolutely nowhere

I’m not saying that every single weapon needs to be adjusted, most of themare acceptable or tolerable.
And they could receive adjustments in due course over some time.

The A-F steps I described above would instantly address the worst offenders and make the game significantly more authentic feeling.

[GeneralBrus]

@GeneralBrus

Remember when we talked about potential “reserve type squads” and changing some cheap weapons into " reserve type weapons"?

@ErikaKalkbrenner

not really

New type of squad - reserve squad

Basically the original idea behind troopers, rather weak soldiers but higher numbers. So I propose a zerg rush poor trained and equipped 12 man squad that only has access to basic rifles. Also they lack access to the best perks like vitality and recoil controll. Also while at it a new class of weapon can be created specifically for this squad, reserve weapons which would be at low BR poor quality bolt action rifles - while at higher battle rating weapons like the poor Volkssturmgewehr and M1 C…

Gotta say, that topic is older than I thought

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@Veekay45

Find me an example of how engineers and stg in Stalingrad are the same gameplay value?

beside the point that they don’t, affect gameplay,

what sort of immersion are you into then?

so mindblowing that using engy is okey, but ready to be up 'n arms for tigers or stg in stalingrad.

you can just admit that you’re butt hurted about the historical autheticity that never was there to begin with.

@Veekay45

Because they were never there and they serve no purpose, having other maps, where they were.

neither BA-11s were in moscow. yet, here they are!
neither g41s were in moscow. yet, here they are!
neither were M24s, jumbos etc in normanfy. yet, here they are!
neither mkhb were in stalingrad. yet, here they are!

been there, done that.
thousants time. same results.

so… it seems you’re still laching on the past.

for your own sake, it’s time to move on.

@Veekay45

There is no reason to add ridiculous bs where it doesn’t need to be just because.

oh yes there is.

it’s called gameplay and freedome of choice.

the very thing enlisted is all about.

and guess what. you can make mods to prevent that from ever happening.

@Veekay45

Seriously after a couple dozen posts you still act surprised that all opinions are obviously my own?

well, not really.

i’m more surprised how you refused to admit it, and still holding on despite ovviously disregarding the motives and various reasons on why that will never be implemented.

i’m doing you a favor than anything.

p.s. you called it " comprehensive review and suggestions before steam release " yet those are more downgrades and taking the game to it’s dying previous state. might as well ask for campaigns to be back while you’re at it.

@Veekay45

It’s all still available, just in different decorations, no reason to get mad.

except, you’re minimizing their uses.

where quite frankly, are great where they currently are.
weather they end up in tunisia, or else.

it’s more of a " you think " that they go where you don’t want them to go.

honey… the world doesn’t evolve around you.

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

i see.

well, op would never agree first and foremost.

second of all, i still stand by my own points there as it’s either not really beneficial for new players, and can be somewhat abused by veterans.

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@Veekay45

A. Stalingrad removed from BR 4 5.

Yeah, no. Variety is never bad thing infact could open rest of maps to br 3-5.
Entire map lock at this point is just dumb.

@Veekay45

D. Volkssturm weapons removed (moved to BR 4 5) as side unlocks for collectors.

Put a paper with duct tape top of killfeed if they are bothering you.

@Veekay45

This game has become MUCH more WW2 friendly without ANY sizable

Except removing quite chunk of gameplay with restricting maps according to BR.
Just to please few people that simply cant get over the fact that this isnt exactly a HA game

@Veekay45

any casual Jimmy who doesn’t know jack shit anyway.

Quite sure even jimmy can tell somethings wrong when hes restricted to play just few maps so some butthurt bob at forums dont get upset of the jimmys equipment