Hs123 or 109Upgraded

Since the latest update we can upgrade our planes for Bronze, I thought I give the biplane a go, I’m going to max rank it, then compare it to the F1 in Moscow.

Any good hs flyers, got some tips?

its good in a turnfight, awful at actually damaging soviet planes. and since it is made out of cardboard a single 20mm shot will likely destroy it

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The Cannons on the BF109 do very poor, effectively nonexistent damage, the 7.92 MG’s are the only guns that do meaningful damage. Plus all the soviet planes outturn the BF109, leaving the only benefit of the BF109 it’s faster speed and better at tanking shells. Imo, HS-123 is better at air superiority, BF109 is better at CAS.

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My tip: Don’t use fighters, they’re useless.
They may be fun, but that’s it.
You’re much better off bringing a tank/attacker. it’ll benefit both your team and your performance. And german fighters can block spawns for the bf-110.

So if you want fun, try them both yourself and see what works better for you, if you want performance, bring neither.

I actually really enjoy the biplane! It is paper thing but so maneuverable, it really has me flying by the seat of my pants, it can’t keep up with faster soviets planes, but I feel like a tiger ready to pounce on my prey, love it.

109E great fun, 109F harder to fly as faster less lift, however has dodgy cannons… not as adrenaline rush as biplane.

Bi plane - much slower paper thin
109 - must manage energy for turning and attacking , dodgy cannons.

Line up currently: HS and BF110

Yes. Bf110 is an beast which is really agile and brings both major strafing power with big booms.

But if dogfights are more for you especially when facing the infamous Mig or even Jak i would rather have an F2 since its godly in the sky and fast and good at strafing and dodging AA in the process. How ever since you dont have bombs in that one you going to rely in shooting infantry you barely can see and have to rely more at randomness on spots and your teams markings which usually wont happen ^^. applies with bombs to though but are easier ^^

An good general tip in BF fighting overall (if you choose that over attacker or the biplane) is to constantly boom and zoom because of its speed which means to fly in from above to hit them then out to re engage. -Except if its an stinky IL2 then you just give those bastards all you got and some extra when they are on the ground- :wink:

The problem with the F2 is that barely anyone has it. it’s like lvl 32 or something. And the fact it has no bombs means that if you don’t wanna be more useless to your team than a bot, you need jump or crash right after you get rid of all the enemy aircraft.
And, even though dogfighting is fun, it’s not what this game was meant for. And you can clearly see that. You can barely catch any plane who wants to fight you and doesn’t either suicide or jump immedietly. So, in the end fighters become useless.
TLDR: Regular fighters are useless, and while dogfighting in Enlisted is fun, it’s so rare you might as well play warthunder at that point.

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True and its harder at ground strikes for sure, but hitting inside a building or inside trenches can rack up some nice kills as it cuts like butter + you will make the enemies think twice when coming in laying down fire on all directions. But for ground strikes and overall sure the BF 110 is much better for that but will lack somehow when air comes in to play if youre up against good pilots even if its pretty agile for its size and got good engine power + ammo for its cannon

Really? I haven’t been able to get much luck with guns. Most I could get is like 4 kills per run, and even that’s rare. And compared to what I could be doing as infantry or in a panzer4, that’s pathetic.

think you get more points in the air to for killing infantry but not sure about that yet. 60 is what i get for killing one infantry on the ground with the mg from the air but could be the same with bombs. Usually if i had an good run even not killing much planes im around 2-6k marker in points. But sure there are times pro longed dogfights are going on and even if you shot at them much and they suicides you dont get the points for it and you finish the game with bad outcome. Prob an register bugg or something

Points aren’t the only important thing. For me, the isuue is that whenever I get into a plane, my team can’t push/defend anything. And getting extra points is nice, but I think the victory xp bonus is a lot nicer.

You clear the sky of pesky bombers and support the ground with hvy fire at the buildings and basically suppress the enemy while your friendlies move in which is your roll as an fighter. I even move in and spot for the team or report in with text what i see. And you can see much more and what they can whats coming in sometimes and even spot snipers moving in from the flanks.
And if they get pissed off enough they move 1 AA sq and two planes at you and only that takes away 3 squads for your team :wink: it happened to me more often then not xD But yeah i get what you mean asw since being ex a tank or an bomber can bring more destruction towards the caps

You can clear the sky, but that’s also possible with ground attack planes like the 110.

You can do that more efficiently with ground attack planes and actually get kills while you’re doing it.

You can see better as infantry than from a plane. At least that’s my experience.

They’re more likely to get pissed off at an attacker or a mortar than a fighter who barely does anything. At most, the enemy attacker pilot will get pissed if you shoot him down.

I don’t want to play warthunder, I want to play this, I love all the different ways we can help a battle.

As for lack of ground attack, I think the HS and 109 can take out tanks easily enough, yes I have gold BF110, but nothing more gratifying than sneaking upon a IL2, getting some good hits, then waiting a few minutes, good hits as in grey smoke, not black smoke, which come first, but keep hitting it then grey smoke, then in my same biplane dogfight the other light CA$, watch them go down in flames, then when no a/c use bombs and kill tanks, or at very least damage them, very easy with HS. Not the case with F1 (lack of lift either means throttling down, or having c- flaps enabled before run), I mean I love the F1 speed and to know F2 even faster sounds good! But lack of ordanance means I would likely still go with 109E, F1, but honestly biplane is a lot more of an adrenaline rush and can stop the IL2 hovering on a dime and you overunning constantly.

well youre missing out on one thing. Other Good pilots that are Biplanes or fighters which will dance around your attack plane along with AA which will easily hit you since youre bigger and less smoother target

I main fighter so hope to clear air, as for AA, a good shot or close I’m dead, but sometime you can strafe then (come in low) they don’t see you then attack, dead AA

yeah ^^ i love jumping on AA when you get their location set. Low flying and attacks is much more effective defense when they are lurking around but its for the cost of visual and more precise attacks though

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Is that your in-game name? I would challenge you to a dogfight man to man if up for it :wink:

Is it possible ? Sure would be fun :slight_smile:

Custom match perhaps, can we chose sides?

If I created one, you browsed for it, then joined as other side? Dunno that would be pretty awesome.