How would the game look like if we only had 2 total BRs?

For the same reason there are no 0/0 matches: not enough players online on allies side.

The start button which shows what BR you can get, is live.
I have just selected USSR BR 5 and it says BR IV-V which means enough players for new matchmaking.
But at the same time USA BR 5 gives me BR III-V which means not enough players so old matchmaking.

If you really dont want to meet BR 5 when playing BR 3 (which is understandable) I would advise to simply play another nation or BR when the start button says III-V.

(since I am no deserter, I will not advise to play BR 3 and just desert any battle that is III-V)

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When I play allies, I either play 1-3 or level 5 as I usually just skip the mid levels with the Allies anyway. Level 3 always says BR level 2-5 as my choice. So, like I said, I just skip it all together for the most part if half the time I am dropped into a level 5 match, I might as well just use level 5 weapons and end the speculation. :grin: However, like I have been saying, your going to be playing a large amount of BOTS anyway from not enough players to deserters, so there is never going to be enough players.

Okay, how about we turn BR1 into a PVE mode? Make BR1 gear even much less expensive, reduce BR1 income by 80% and let people farm their base BR1 gear before going into BR2.

They would have to improve PvE first. Otherwise it is going to be extremely bad first introduction to the game. Creating impression of totally dead game.

I remember my first few matches only against AI. I thought the game is dead. Nah, never again.

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Their AI is bad. I noticed a game I played a week or so ago (on the wrong end of another seal clubbing) the longer the game went, the more I continued to see other allies just standing around. When the game ended, I counted 7 people on my team that had deserted. So, after seeing that I understood why my allies were all just standing around, they were all BOTS :thinking:. So, we end up with bots anyway in the end if the game play is bad. A lot of people here get mad at others deserting, but the longer I play, I get less mad about it and wonder why I am staying, and usually that is only to fulfil the daily objectives they give you. If not for them, I would probably bail most games as well as there is no incentive to stay, especially as I am passing more and more bots standing around on my way to the slaughter house. :rofl:

this is number of players currently in game for all 6 servers so calculate. game lasts ~20 minute on average. one fast average calculation(and wrong one cause players are not evenly divided by server, faction or BR):
number of concurrent players is 4-12k players divided by 6 servers divided by 20 minutes. that is 30-100 players in queue every minute. that is 7.5-25 players per faction. if you want ±0 you would get 1.5-5 players every minute in queue per faction/BR/server. average waiting time of 2-6 minutes for one match.

cause everything is not equally divided you would get insanely long waiting times for some server/BR/faction or be forced into bot matches.

btw when i get time i will make more detailed graph with crossplay on/off statistic and with number of concurrent players per nation.

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I would rather wait longer for a semi competitive game then get dropped into a match two levels above my squad levels rating and have to sit through another seal clubbing. NTM a quarter of the time I get started the game is already running, and I’m late to the party so to speak. :yum:

I normally choose “ANY” server, and I hardly ever have to wait more then a few seconds for a match, regardless of which faction I choose. I fully understand that there might not always be enough players so it’s filled out with bots. My point has been that the game play is going to suck, so a high amount of people are going to desert anyway, meaning that a lot of humans will be replaced by BOTS, so why not let people play the mode they want against the level they want if in the end, we’re playing against a lot of bots either way? Whomever is being seal clubbed is always going to have a high desertion rate, that much is pretty obvious at this point. The DEV’s seem to have the one up and one down policy for every faction except the allies, and it should be the same for all factions.

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equipment plays almost no part in seal clubbing. good players will seal club even with BR1 equipment against noobs with BR3 equipment.

this is bad practice.

  1. it gives you non consistent playing experience(cause of latency)
  2. it populates low server population with you, so you can easily have bad experience playing solo or with few players against full enemy team.
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This is not true at all, equipment plays a big role. Plus, most seal clubbers aren’t even that good. Because they’re doing not so good against more competent and well equipped players, they’re intentionally going to lower BR to face much less threatening competition.

There is absolutely a giant difference if a seal clubber has multiple assault squads and all soldiers equipped with medkits, water bottle, ammo bags and EPs. Whereas a new player only has the option of playing medics and not having their soldiers fully equipped.

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That’s not the point, the point is if I wanted to play in level 5 I would have chosen my level 5 squads. People are going to be seal clubbed, that is what this game has turned out to be. But I shouldn’t have to play a match two levels over my squads level, when NO OTHER FACTION at that level has to. It is not about whether your good or not as I have stated that I can make due with my level 3 weapons in level 5, but why should I have to? If I want to play level 3 Allies, then I should be playing against level 3 or level 4 weapons. Those who like the challenge of playing two levels up can just add a level 4 or 5 weapon to their squad and still have that challenge of being uptiered. I don’t have to be uptiered as I have maxed out level 5 squads, but I would like to play level 5 with my level 5 squads, not my level 3 squads. That is the point, not whether someone is good with lower tier weapons. :sweat_smile:

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it plays no part when skilled player plays against noobs. he will destroy noobs even if he has BA with 4 man stock team. maybe he will not destroy them with same effectiveness, but result will be the same.
if you are talking about noobs with equipment against noobs without it, then i agree that equipment plays good part.

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But skilled player is not average seal clubber. Average seal clubber is classic minmaxer but without skill.

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You got that right about the seal clubbers. There are some games I could not have played any worse then I did, yet my side, despite me were on the good end of the seal clubbing. :rofl:

well it might be just my bias cause i dont see difference when playing against BR1 or BR3 players with my BR2 lineup. when majority of players absolutely suck, their equipment doesnt really matter.

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I don’t think your going to find a lot of noobs playing level 3 unless they started right off buying premium squads. So, most noobs are not going to be greatly uptiered into a level 5 match. That being said, a noob starting off buying all level 3 premium squads is quickly going to get annihilated in level 5. :rofl:

Yeah, it doesn’t play a big role in Enlisted as it doesn’t require much skill. Most of the time you just shoot braindead bots.
You just have to know what to do to win, but you are not required to actually have a skill in fps games.

That’s probably why it doesn’t matter that you get exactly the same rewards for playing any BR, and that the game doesn’t encourage people to tend to play higher BRs.

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you must differentiate between noob and newbie(at least this was definition when i was playing cs 20 years ago). newbie is newcomer who is not skilled in the game cause of his lack of experience. noob is just shit player who plays like newbie despite his experience.
so even on BR5 you will find noobs.

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It would be semi and bolt action together and in the other section full auto gun

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Maybe so, but to me a noob is a newbie. And your right, there are a lot of shitty players at every level. :grinning:

I just think they need 3 strict no soft rule battle ratings. 1-2, 3-4 and level 5. With the Germans and Russians, they don’t get uptiered with level 3 squads to level 5 as their game play says BR 2-4, whereas level 3 Allies says BR 2-5, and I know that is not a misprint as I see level 5 weapons on the battlefield when I play level3 Allies. They just need to make the battle ratings universal across the board for all factions IMOP I also don’t know if all level 1 squads are being uptiered to level 3 since I have not played level 1 in quite a while, but they shouldn’t be

unless you have ±0BR you will always have people complaining about being uptiered. that is simply sad state of affairs. game is much better now cause before you had BR1 equipment against BR5 equipment in couple of campaigns.

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