How to save/change the rider class

[Kriegerfaust007]

why riders failed
-1- no armor riders use speed
-2- maps are too small for speed
-3- crews too small to use as infantry when bike disabled
-4-maps littered with bike swallowing obstacles
-5- limited firepower mg should be heavy or have at least two guns
-6- limited arc of fire
-7-inabilty to turn sharply at full speed

why to swap with tanketts
-1- better all terrain
-2- full cover armor
-3- armor should stop most infantry weapons
-4- excluding anti tank weapons and heavy explosives
-5-would retain small crew so as not to encroach on apc
-6-light weapons that kill infantry and apc’s
-7- low profile coming up to the bottom of most tank turrets

[Kriegerfaust007]

-8-8- tankettes unlike bikes would have just as much customization as tanks
-9-tanketes would come with cannons that could pen lower br tanks only from the side or back of tank or any thin area
-10-it could be fun to give tankettes hand holds for infantry
-11-tankettes could destroy sandbags and mg, barbwire nests by running over them
-12-tanketts could work as spotters

[SusTruppen]

@Kriegerfaust007

-2- maps are too small for speed

@Kriegerfaust007

-4-maps littered with bike swallowing obstacles

Im hoping for a large scale warfare for Enlisted. Where there’s room to breathe in, players actually can take a moment from the fight by creating rallies before sweating the objective

[Kriegerfaust007]

the problem is bigger maps means more players
will it still run on ps4/xbox one and older pcs
people with bad net connections
will it be even more cut and paste or new content
will they remove tanks from the grey zone finaly

[Naohmcete]

look also my post :3

[gastanofrizzi]

Mine too, the various mine too, but I add just this recent one Rider rework

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

you see, the reason why rider failed, it’s because people don’t fully understand them lol.

what i mean ( not you in particularly but in general )

which, if anything, it’s more of a situational class.
but above all, it actually require a brain to use it.
and not just rush the point just to get wiped out and then complain.

@Kriegerfaust007

no armor riders use speed

but… that’s their very feature.

very useful in conquest.

or the first point to get on the side and place a rally.

or even flank and destroy tanks with it.

speed is an essential component of the squad.

@Kriegerfaust007

-2- maps are too small for speed

they are not.

there are usually corridors.

if anything, berlin and d-day is more challenging to use this class for their uptmost efficency.

@Kriegerfaust007

-3- crews too small to use as infantry when bike disabled

… because the bike is the tool.

or rather, the vehicle concept.

it’s more of a support rule.

aka,

• secure the landing zone of friendly paratroopers
• support friendly vehicles.
• get faster to flanking positions
• laser gun to take out from a greater distance enemy

@Kriegerfaust007

-4-maps littered with bike swallowing obstacles

i mean… i hate to be condescending or a smart ass. but i don’t think it’s the bike issue if you are the one driving into them.

@Kriegerfaust007

-5- limited firepower mg should be heavy or have at least two guns

the fuck?

what?

find me a picture of a bike with an actual auto cannon.

@Kriegerfaust007

-6- limited arc of fire

ugh… if you place your self in a position where the dead arcs are going to get your self killed, again, it’s not the bikes fault.

@Kriegerfaust007

-7-inabilty to turn sharply at full speed

…

you know what i’ll say.

@Kriegerfaust007

why to swap with tanketts
-1- better all terrain
-2- full cover armor
-3- armor should stop most infantry weapons
-4- excluding anti tank weapons and heavy explosives
-5-would retain small crew so as not to encroach on apc
-6-light weapons that kill infantry and apc’s
-7- low profile coming up to the bottom of most tank turrets

no. ( and yes )

first of all, bikes and tankettes have a very different role.

which i will agree that could be used for the rider class.

matter of fact, the rider class needs no changes, only improvements.

such as

• let this be an in depth support role by allowing all type of radio calls ( supply canisters, smokes, aircraft call, rocket artillery etc ) to increase their firepower and fully cover the " support " role.

ultimately, since not everyone is suited ( or really comprehends ) how to use this class, to get two pidgeons and a stone,

i think;

• add armored cars ( & tankettes ) would be a great introduction so we get iconic vehicles ( such as the armored m3 car, the 222, ba 64s etc ) as well as making the rider class more appealing to people while avoiding having to add a new class for said armored cars.

• change AA vehicles to go underneath the rider class

hell, even add trucks with ammo, medkits or engineer resourches.

but i don’t see anything inherently wrong with the bike it self.
( outside the part where you can’t unflip it. that’s dumb )

however, more options are the way to go.

if anything, circumstances makes it less appealing.
such as the fact that free to players are not going to chose a bike over a plane or tank.
( mostly because they don’t have much of a choice ).

the radio operator should be a focal point together with the bike.

and well, more that i addressed here:

Fixes, Features and improvements that Riders and APC Generally Needs ( At least, IMO )

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Riders improvements - the final stone

disclaimer, it’s gonna be a lenghty one fellas. you have been warned. so, it was confirmed that they will be working on the rider’s class or are already working on it. [image] however, not much was said about it. and, i made this post to bring one final awareness to the class in question. hoping that it’s not too late. now, as people know me, i have been an advocate for riders. i think they are one of the best class when it comes to fun. which it’s funny because when first released, i w…

[gastanofrizzi]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

find me a picture of a bike with an actual auto cannon.

Royal Danish nimbus armed with a 20mm machingun

https://www.armyvehicles.dk/nimbusmc_20mmmg.htm

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@gastanofrizzi

Royal Danish nimbus armed with a 20mm machingun

well, you just fell into my trap card.

because beside danmark ( which would be a stretch but not too far fetched as an allied option ) there aren’t many.

like, what about THE others factions?

good luck with that.

[gastanofrizzi]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

well, you just fell into my trap card.

I Guess im going the shadow realm, good play

[Naohmcete]

I know them, and that´s why I did the post telling concepts for the rework :>

[Naohmcete]

it doesn´t need be an auto cannon, soviets could have mortar,at gun or even cannon, germans one designed for be anti-air or an updated version with mg-42 who they existed,japs have 3 different machine guns, every nation could be different :>

[gastanofrizzi]

It doesn’t need be a bike to, scout car and open top armored car still can do the same job and even have better anti infantry potential without being immortal to small arm fire like tank

[iso_seppo123]

I found this one. German r75 with 20mm. Althought it might just be a prototype with no combat usage

[Valkay]

Its Hungarian

Hungary had multiple R75 motorcycles armed with Solothurn S-18/1000 AT rifles.

The camouflage pattern visible on the side car appears to be Hungarian as well

@iso_seppo123

[Kriegerfaust007]

heavy as in heavy machine gun 10mm and up

[Kriegerfaust007]

improve rider class and add the ability to add more soldiers, while giving them new vehicles

you are admitting they are broken
add fire power
add armor
add soldiers
add stability
thats no longer a rider thats a scout or recon
you see, the reason why rider failed, it’s because people don’t fully understand them lol.

what i mean ( not you in particularly but in general )

which, if anything, it’s more of a situational class.
but above all, it actually require a brain to use it.
and not just rush the point just to get wiped out and then complain.

@Kriegerfaust007

no armor riders use speed

but… that’s their very feature.

very useful in conquest.

or the first point to get on the side and place a rally.

or even flank and destroy tanks with it.

speed is an essential component of the squad.

@Kriegerfaust007

-2- maps are too small for speed

they are not.

there are usually corridors.

if anything, berlin and d-day is more challenging to use this class for their uptmost efficency.

@Kriegerfaust007

-3- crews too small to use as infantry when bike disabled

… because the bike is the tool.

or rather, the vehicle concept.

it’s more of a support rule.

aka,

• secure the landing zone of friendly paratroopers
• support friendly vehicles.
• get faster to flanking positions
• laser gun to take out from a greater distance enemy

@Kriegerfaust007

-4-maps littered with bike swallowing obstacles

i mean… i hate to be condescending or a smart ass. but i don’t think it’s the bike issue if you are the one driving into them.

@Kriegerfaust007

-5- limited firepower mg should be heavy or have at least two guns

the fuck?

what?

find me a picture of a bike with an actual auto cannon.

@Kriegerfaust007

-6- limited arc of fire

ugh… if you place your self in a position where the dead arcs are going to get your self killed, again, it’s not the bikes fault.

@Kriegerfaust007

-7-inabilty to turn sharply at full speed

…

you know what i’ll say.

@Kriegerfaust007

why to swap with tanketts
-1- better all terrain
-2- full cover armor
-3- armor should stop most infantry weapons
-4- excluding anti tank weapons and heavy explosives
-5-would retain small crew so as not to encroach on apc
-6-light weapons that kill infantry and apc’s
-7- low profile coming up to the bottom of most tank turrets

no. ( and yes )

first of all, bikes and tankettes have a very different role.

which i will agree that could be used for the rider class.

matter of fact, the rider class needs no changes, only improvements.

such as

• let this be an in depth support role by allowing all type of radio calls ( supply canisters, smokes, aircraft call, rocket artillery etc ) to increase their firepower and fully cover the " support " role.

ultimately, since not everyone is suited ( or really comprehends ) how to use this class, to get two pidgeons and a stone,

i think;

• add armored cars ( & tankettes ) would be a great introduction so we get iconic vehicles ( such as the armored m3 car, the 222, ba 64s etc ) as well as making the rider class more appealing to people while avoiding having to add a new class for said armored cars.
• change AA vehicles to go underneath the rider class

hell, even add trucks with ammo, medkits or engineer resourches.

but i don’t see anything inherently wrong with the bike it self.
( outside the part where you can’t unflip it. that’s dumb )

however, more options are the way to go.

if anything, circumstances makes it less appealing.
such as the fact that free to players are not going to chose a bike over a plane or tank.
( mostly because they don’t have much of a choice ).

the radio operator should be a focal point together with the bike.

and well, more that i addressed here:

challenge to use to utmost
i am sure you are a souls get good
i don’t say put one br5 into my br3 squad to get good
why the game is hard enough why make it harder

dead arcs my fault, so you must love tank destroyer without turrets they have plenty of dead arc that skill can overcome

( outside the part where you can’t unflip it. that’s dumb )
if its a bike and nit a trike (fully loaded bike with side car)
yeah that is easy to do it combat in say the desert on sand
where both sets of tires are sliding

as for driving pot calling kettle

i have four slots in which i can bring
riflemen
radio
engineers
assault
antitank
snipers
medics
gurellias
paratroopers
a tank
apc
attack
fighter

or rider
out of dozens maybe even a hundred or more squads brought into a game are riders
1-5 on average

apc similar speed
mobile rally point
full squad

engineers can build
mg nest
at gun
aa gun

tank good speed
armor
ability to swat tanks and infantry
turret for proper arc of fire

as for skill if i had it i would take a fighter or attacker
greater speed
no fear of terrain, cannot flip
biggest enemies other planes and aa
massive bomb or rocket load

so yes it could be a choice say above medic or attack and fighter
but unless i had like seven to ten squads no

as for tank killer, i guess
paratrooper killer only if they are bad at being paratroopers