How to/not to balance things

Do balance things with the frequency and presence in battle. It is ok some weapon is OP, but you can’t spam them. I’d rather have OP weapon that i can use in restricted number instead of being nerf so every guns are equal.

Don’t balance things with economie. We all saw how frustrating repair cost is in War Thunder. Balance based on economie only favours wallet warriors and make F2P players leave the game.

Do balance things based on reality and history. We all know semi-auto nerf, random dispersion, and jumbo aren’t welcomed to anyone. Sometimes the history wasn’t perfectly balanced, but in my experience it is better than fictional Ad Hoc solution.

Don’t balance things by how annoying it is to use such weapon. Caring constantly how many ammo left and being discouraged is not fun to play nor help balancing that much.

Do balance things in a way that will last long. Bandaid ad hoc solution only shortens the lifespan of the game. Always see farther.

Don’t balance things by just looking the weapon itself. As wise people once say, see the forest not just tree. The semi-auto RoF nerf was for decrease gap between BA and SA, but definitely not considered SF, SMG, MG etc.

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have fun with your panzers not moving and having no fuel and also your t34 hulls cracking in 2 when hit by 75mm HE

honestly though rest of post is goated. i just hate ‘muh realism’ argument

just to add to this it was definitely to weaken SA compared to SF, to make people pay $$$ to get to the sf rifles quicker. If it truly was a ‘realism’ argument like they claimed, they’d have also nerfed pistol rof, ptrs (ik it got nerfed later, but clearly an oversight due to lack of care and thought - if it was a realism thing, they’d have realised this) and any weapon that has a semi auto mode when it fires in said mode.

We’ve had some transparency lately yes, but we should not forget when this company outright lies to us and expects us to lap this bullshit up. SA nerf was meant to bleed money out of players just like shot deviation rng forcing us to upgrade rifles

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There.

Sadly this forum is horrendous for “balance” ideas:

  • most are from mains. They want the factions they fight against nerfed.
  • some are from people liking a type of arms who are upset they can get killed by another. Like most who supported semis nerf, but are ALL people spamming smgs, lmgs or automatic rifles.

Those are hypocrites.
And there’s:

  • some that are simply from people having no idea what they talk about.

Very, very FEW people actually seek real balance and fairness for veterans/new players regardless of faction played. @120062891 is probably one of the only guys I know who isn’t biased at all…

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I still see the semi nerf as 100% pointless. Select fires still rule supreme, bolt actions still in the dust and now normal semis cant bridge the gap to late game weapons. The devs excuse was a blatant lie. All it did was make people like me drop all standard semis and use select fire. Why? The semi mode wasnt nerfed on them and they hold more ammo, no contest anymore.

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I wrote this aiming things such as jumbo, SA RoF and random dispersion. I’m not saying that the game must be ultra realistic like RO2, HLL etc i’m saying instead of imaginary fictional solution to balance, sometimes realistism can be better.

they arent even close to be realistic but get your point :slight_smile: more hardcore. But even RO2 had their radar maps and such so not as hardcore as im used to

fuck it, i still want to use vegetal 1-5 on a trooper since alpha. even if sucks hard i rather have them and loose the match than keep this fg42 bullshit over and over again.

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Today i carry a game while building rally point, killing all the tanks, caping all the capture point… alone.

I used to say “please think about the new player”, but today I had a epifany: I remember I wasn’t that useless when i discovered the game. I didn’t know how to get ammo but at least I could sprint to the objective and help to cap.

So today I would like to say:
Fuck the new players. Fuck the balance. This is war. War is unfair.
I have a MG42 and you don’t.
I have a squad of 9 soldier with 3 detpack and you don’t.
I have a Panther and you don’t.
Every faction got tools to deal with what ennemy throw at you.
So if you want better stuff, grind it and start to understand what it takes to win some games. You dont’t win games with weapons or tanks or planes, you win games with objectives.

And it feels good to say it.

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I want vg1 5 to be useful too (pointless weapon at the moment). But… what does that have to do with semis nerf? :thinking:

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we dont want bolt action simulator nor do i care about historical accuracy its not fun

now your making shit up i like it. they should add m36 and m26 perishing to counter panther/tiger spam

How could you forget B-29 with nuke!? This thing would balance the normandy campaign, definitely​

not in this case just add m36/m26 perishing problem solved

i hate plane in enlisted i only use to break there lines as a suicide attack

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Thank you, I really appreciate that. Truly.

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I mean it.

Even I cannot say I’m not biased… I’m guilty of wanting t34 (and even KV) in Moscow knowing full well it would bomb definitely tank balance. I also want mkb42 for assaulters, even though that wouldn’t ruin balance vs ppsh41… will just be similar to Berlin when stg44 is finally added (NEXT BP I HOPE!!!)

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Yeah sure why don’t you fucking add M1A2 aBrAmS with dEpLeTeD uRaNiUm RoUnD? What a retarded shit

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saying “fuck new players” is a great way to get new players to not play the game lmfao.

You can give cool stuff to high rank players without also sacrificing new player experience. It’s not a zero sum game.

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It means a lot, and maybe that somehow if we get people on board with proper balancing, MM etc we can get somewhere.

Trust me, I want shinys too but I can also see what will happen if they come into play without proper structure.

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Yes well that’s your problem - a need for fantasy - there are already many, many outlets for that.

none with the choices you get in enlisted you can play what ever way you want that’s what’s so cool about this game it has something for every one i dont go around telling people not to play something or to play some thing you want historical there nothing stopping you from that but dont tell me how to play or that i should be forced to play like you with only bolts or historical load outs there no fun what would be fun about being slain on the beaches by a panther that you cant kill repeatedly