How Moscow axis and allies SHOULD look like

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This will focus on more historical accuracy and better balance.
Firstly BA changes from Stalingrad need to be imported!
Axis:
The starting gear is the same.
Level 2: Assaulter I - MP34

Level 3: Engineer I - VZ24 (the same)

Level 4: Figter pilot I - Hs 123 - A-1 (the same)

Level 5: Sd. Kfz. 231 (8-rad) (Light, fast, decent gun against early tanks) + MP38 (the same)
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Level 6: Radio operator I - Mannlicher M1895

Level 7: Attacker pilot - JU-87 B2 (The same)

Level 8: Pz 38(t) Aufs. S (This is one of the main vehicles of the german blitzkrieg and early war, how isnt this in the tech tree is confusing to me) (This is slightly different than the premium)

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Level 9: AT gunner I - PZb-39 (Pzb 38 replaced, theyre basically the same, just recycle a late level) + AT Gebalgeladung grenade bundle (Can disable or even knock out tanks with a well placed throw)
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Level 10: Machine gunner I MG13 (The same)

Level 11: MP40 - (the same)

Level 12: PZIIIJ - (its 50mm armor cannot stop 45mm shells, turret traverse is the super slow, doesnt deserve level 29 unlock)

Level 13: ZB26 (the same)

Level 14: Mortarman (The same)

Level 15: BF109 f1 (1x 250Kg bomb instead of 4x 50kg)

Level 16: Steyr Model 1895 (sniper)
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Level 17: Trooper II K98k w/grenade launcher (The same)

Level 18: Flametrooper I - FmW35 (The same)

Level 19: Bf110 C-7 (The same)

Level 20: Machine gunner II - MG34 (The same)

Level 21 Engineer II - G41 (The same)

Level 22:Tanker II: Stug III A (With HEAT)
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Level 23: MP35/I

Level 24: Sniper II - Gewehr 98 (Sniper) (The same)

Level 25: Attacker pilot II - Dornier Do 17 (4x 250kg)
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Level 26: Assaulter II - BerettaM38 (40 rnds)

Level 27: Selbstladegewehr 258(r) (Captured SVT38) - (This is historically accurate, germans loved the SVTs, since the G41 was trash and used them quite a bit)
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Level 28: AT gunner II - GRb 39 (The same)

Level 29: PZIIIJ/I (Fair fight against the T50, and can hold its own against a T34, but isnt even close to an equal)

Level 30: Assaulter III: Maschinenpistole 716(r) (Captured PPD 34/38)

Level 31: Sniper III - ZH29 (Sniper) or G41 (sniper) (or even a captured SVT sniper but not a fan of that one)

Level 32: BF109 E-4
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Level 33: Flametrooper II - FmW41 (The same)

Level 34: Tanker III - PZIVF1 (the same)

Level 35: Kiraly 39M ( The same)

Level 36: Attacker pilot III: Ju87 r-2 (1x 1000kg bomb)

Level 37: PZIIIL (More than a match for the T34, and mostly immune from the front against the most common soviet AT gun - 45mm)

Level 38: Trooper III: K98k w/AT grenade laucher (:smiley: ) + Sdkfz251 (1x MG34) (This squad would spawn with the vehicle)
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Level 39: Assaulter IV (Suomi KP31)

Level 40: Gunner III: MG34 With paramotel (75rnds)

Level 41: Tanker IV: 8.8 cm Flak 18 Sfl
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Allies:
I will list what is different only.

Level 15: Yak1 (2x 100kg (forged) bombs)

Level 22: BT-7A (F-32) 76mm gun, and an extra MG on the roof, light and fast.
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Level 23: PPD40

Level 26: Captured MP40

Level 30: Assaulter III - Thompson 1928 (box)

Level 31: Sniper III - PTRS1941 (Sniper) (effective only while prone or mounted)
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Level 35: PPSH41

Level 37: T34 (1940) (the same)

Level 38: Trooper III: M91/30 w/AT grenade launcher + IZ improvised armored truck. 45mm cannon and a DT 7.62 MG.
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Level 39: 1928 thompson (50 round drum)

Level 40: Gunner III: DT29

Level 41: KV1 (L11)

That is my opinion, and i think it would be A more historical, and B better balanced

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Oh wow, only in our dreams lol, Moscow is not about a fun experience for both sides, it’s about how much they can please their Soviet playerbase

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Honestly, as a moscow main, quite a fan of this.
Though, I do see a few weird choices here:
The 109E-4 is a worse variant of the F-1 and doesn’t even seem to have bombs, yet is at a higher level. Why? The F-2 with 4x50kg would be better. Or alternatively, as a better opponent to the mig, a bombless fw-190A-1 would be ideal.
And then the 251 should have 2mg 34s. One in the front with a gunshield and another in the back without one.
Maybe kinda like this:
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And don’t see the point with the captured MP40. Why would anyone use it?

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Hardly, it has 2 20mms, new MG151 cannons, 120 rounds, and a really fast fiiring MG. I would have given it bombs but you know how the soviet mains would cry since their Mig cant have any. But ig we dont cry when in Berlin our K4 has no bombs

Its a premium there already, so very unrealistic theyd do that

Agree, like the one from HnG

Some soviet main cry in stalingrad, that germans get PPSH and soviets dont get MP40.

Mainly for immersion and more choices

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It doesn’t. It has the same old crappy FF/Ms. With the same amount of rounds each as the F-1. So 60 each. That goes away instantly. And the mgs are also the same. So, while it does have one more FF/M than F-1, both are wingmounted, which means worse accuracy. And it has an older worse airframe.
If you want a bombless fighter, the Fw-190A-1 would be ideal. 2x20mm FF/M, 4x7.92mm mg, very fast, but not incredibly manuverable. A perfect counter to the mig.

it’s a regular campaign vehicle. level 32.

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I cry every day because of this :cry:

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I maxed out 2 weeks ago. Not great, not terrible. Great fighter that turns better than any Soviet counterpart. There are no bombs, that’s true, but the 30mm full HE isn’t that bad if you know where to shoot (capture point, front of armored train). Obviously, the D-12 is a better choice overall (if it weren’t buggy and didn’t move like a retiree). I think there will be a lot more suffering in the C. 202EC Tunisia.

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Finnaly

Normal balance where no side could cry

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Don’t understand why the Soviets need mp40 at level 26.
And why don’t the Germans have a pz3e - a beautiful anti-infantry tank?
Otherwise, why not.
If others consider it a better option than now.

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Interesting concept. With many interesting tools. I doubt it would happen, but if, I think it would be good. BUT I don’t know why the campaign should be so drastically redesigned. Ever since the T-34 was announced, the audience has been upset. And nothing changes. So far, it has not been possible to win a tank-tank duel against the Soviets. Nothing changes. But that’s it. I’m not a good player, but I won 74% of my 1,000 Moscow axis battles. And 2,700 Soviet tanks were destroyed. I doubt that would change that much from the T-34. Most tanks will fall victim to a bundle of dynamite anyway. Or the Air Force will take it out. And if I had a problem with a distant Soviet tank, it never occurred to me to confront him with a tank. The grb 39 is a very good AT weapon ( although not historically accurate ). It also penetrate the T-50, T-28E, and T-34. But I also have an engineer squad in every campaign if I just need to build an AT gun which will be movable from now on ( which could really be Pak40 ). The only change I think would be really needed is the KP31 instead of the beretta.

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Pretty utopia. They won’t change anything however, they never did once it’s fully realeased, other than tweaking stats. (Understandable, risk of angering players is too great)

Only hope is that someday they rework the progression line to make it a tech tree with ramifications. Would allow them some room to balance stuff.

Till then I just won’t bother.

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Id rather take a 50mm gun and 1 Mg or a 75mm

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well, PZ III E used to be banger :slight_smile:

ahh… the good 'ol days.

until t50s started to Appear… and next, t34s :frowning:

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PZ 3E its medium lvl tank.
Of course pz4 better, because fast reload 75mm gun.

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I remember being mocked by pz3e when I only had t60…
For t60 pz3e is OP.

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Yeah man PZIIIE used to be the tank, back in the day, T60s nightmare. 1 37mm shot into the driver ans tank dead.

Now it is pretty bad

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Only against t50 and t28e.
In other, still good.

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Which is only what, 70% of the tanks you face?
Yeah, I’d say vz38 would be a much better tank than the 3E overall.

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So germans should have 250kg on fighters, multiple loads of 250kg, and 1000kg bombs (unironically, why do you need it? It’s an overkill), while soviets will still have trash bombers with 100kg bombs only.

So germans are getting soviet smgs and semiautos, but soviets aren’t getting german mgs. (And let’s not be adding more captured shit, I don’t enjoy bfv-like gameplay with brits using german assault rifles or japanese smgs while fighting in africa)

Doesn’t seem very balanced or historically accurate. Also germans got HEAT rounds only in 1942, and pz3L as I remember was a 1943 modification.

According to the replies, it’s not russian bias only when it’s german bias instead?

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Tbh more campaigns should have the PAK 40 not just Berlin

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