You are funny. 
thanks i guess
also i sure love the pattern behavior of every single clan member that walked in this thread
- tunes in to support his clanmates or other clans
- tries to argue with some rather selfish reasons
- refuses to elaborate ( or cannot elaborate )
- backtracks pointing how i am the problem / throws the wildest projections when actually challenged
- cannot objectively think for the good of most players rather than their own
- leaves
and these are the people who we’re supposed to listen 
and then there’s OinK. which i sort of respect, but has kinda no clue why he is here or what i actually stand for nor truly knows who i am.
now, i wouldn’t consider my self a pillar of this community, but i kinda have been around for long enough to have made some impact in my time. but not alone. with an actual community of people.
reminiscing about the past ehi? but self shoulder tap aside,
i am not the one selfish around here.
you people on the other hand, are.
and cannot accept numbers at face value.
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Not playing the victim. I am just telling you how to avoid needless discussions if you want your thread to stay on topic. The more people argue, the less likely it is for your suggestion to be considered.
How am I trying to “outsmart” anyone? I took interest in your topic, gave my opinion and asked for yours in order to better understand where you are coming from. How can you even take this in a negative way?
I don’t know you , you don’t know me. Again, how is asking basic questions a bad thing if I am not familiar with this issue? Aren’t you here to talk? Are you here just to argue?
How can this be true if we have been talking for the last 2 hours each time quoting each other and provide answers to the text quoted?
You managed to find something negative even in my interaction with you. You are actively pushing away even the people interested in what you have to say. How is that a normal thing to do?
I am a U45N member
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well, i suppose at least i tried.
beside, i do care about this game for everyone else.
and it’s only passion being showed here.
because you kept goal shifting at every message trying to excuse clans.
remember?
you started with " it’s easier to implement clans rather than customs improvement ".
to which i showed you that custom content is pretty much " there ".
you then started diverging onto " ask the CM. do not take it with us " which i showed the various answer we got, and also noted how it reeks of the CM own doing given his own actions.
you then started to shift towards the " clans taking " credits and how it’ doesn’t matter etc.
to which i replied to you how clans actually did it, tooya in particular alongside other U45N " receits " at the starts WHICH YOU DEFINITELY watched. ( no you didn’t. but i’m used to people not reading half of what i type )
and then you started to question what i did having no clue and now you’re shifting the goal post again as " we are the one being hated, not you ".
really?.
the ever growing shifting your goal for your own argument is not just asking basic questions.
as for me, well, i think it’s kinda obvious what i’m here for.
although i have few regrets, not having done this thread in day time.
because you have yet to accept or come to the realization that time wasted behind clans improvement would improve customs and mods in general FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
your clan included.
and i have no stakes in any of this beside, making more content for other people. and potentially my modding path crossing with other clans ( which i did in the past ).
so no, i’m not here " hatin " free on clans.
just to set the record straight and give this community what it needs and wants.
more modded content.
i can guarantee you that you and me might eventually leave at some point, but modding content will stay.
that is, should stay.
people come and goes, but modding is eternal.
well at least you are more composed than most of your colleagues.
i’ll give you that.
anyway, we have been around the rosies for quite some time.
2 AM here so…
i did certainly enjoyed this convo out of most of your colleagues. or… i guess Our*.
but for today that’s enough of my " wisdom ".
tomorrow perhaps i’ll be ready for round 2.
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Holy mother of GOD what a thread…
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you know that someone critiquing your argument isnt
their own, right?
a well thought argument can consist of multiple points, that support one main idea, and is far preferable to regurgitating the same point in a different format
Us having a conversation is not goal shifting. The only thing I said about clans is that we worked for a common goal in the end.
I am not making excuses for anyone, I asked you about instances where clans are being toxic because I just don’t pay that much attention to the forum and what people are saying on a day to day basis. I am not speaking for anyone else nor am I responsible for what others say.
And my response to that was that " pretty much there " is not an accurate description of the situation. Pretty much there can have a large margin of error and multiple unknowns. Me saying we need an official stance on the matter after this was not goal shifting. What if your pretty much there is just not that easy to do? Unless we hear from them, you are just assuming it is easy.
The answers you received personally give me some hope. Look at the date, February of this year. You are well aware of the delays that happened at the start of this year, months without content. Clearly they have other priorities for now, but it would not surprise me if you will see the changes he mentioned added on the next major update.
Again, this was just to show you how both sides benefited and it does not matter who did what. What is the problem with this particular argument? The whole point was : clans are not your enemy
I just don’t understand this part. Try to rephrase it.
People ask questions when they don’t know. If I had known, I wouldn’t have asked.
You have to understand that most people don’t just sit scrolling the forum. If I have free time I will play the game not read the forum, while most forum posters post more than playing the game.
This was just for you to understand that while you feel ignored as a minority, clan members also feel like nobody really cares about clans in enlisted, since there are no official tournaments or anything else for them. More to that, people hate some of us just because they end up losing against us again and again.
How many times did you see someone post " fk moders " in game? 0. Everyone has a positive opinion of modders in all games not just in enlisted.
Keep in mind I am not playing the victim, just giving you an insight on how it feels to be a clan member.
Answer me this : in the last 2 years what changes were made for clans?
I have yet to disclose my thoughts on this matter to you, but from the start I was thinking it will not do much for us right now.
But think of it like this, we always wanted official tournaments, clan wars. If they add a clan system, they will officialy recognize clans and it opens the door to those official games we always wanted.
Official games lead to interest from the non clan players in most games, I don’t see why enlisted would he different, and all of this can help the game grow, a thing that you also want I am pretty sure.
So as you can see, it’s not just the simple social function we are interested in, we look a bit further down the line. Did you try looking at the situation from this point of view? Maybe that’s why they are also finally recognizing clans. But because they don’t share their thoughts, we can only guess and speculate.
In a perfect world they should do the things you want for customs and add the clan system together
I also have no stakes. I will still be playing the game with or without the clan system. I just want the game to grow. While you are showing your passion for the game by contributing to vehicle models and other things, we do it by playing the game every day. Sometimes I clock in 30 games a day.
And for every enemy team that is upset for losing, there are also countless happy messages I receive from ingame teammates saying that this was the best game they ever played.
If the game is to thrive, both the moders and the players need to keep at it
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I hate to butt in stuff like this…but i want to see this game grow aswell theres so much stuff to be added and fixed…and arguing will not make the cut…
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Some also :
- tries to argue with some rather selfish reasons (for not saying cash and/or fame reason)
- refuses to ear others points of views
*** throw insults at nearly each answer** - cannot accept that devs from a WW2 game does not accept to turn it into garry’s mod
- leaves (after spitting more on those who can’t give them unlimited attention, yep some of us works, have a family, reponsabilities, i wish you will have the chance to live and understand what i’m talking about)
Anyway, i hope all that is due to an abuse of alcool
if not, it’s time to question yourself and to grow up
xoxo (I saw you hated “XD” users so i hope you’ll not be ofended by this)
I guess i will have to end my Netflix subscription since i get all the entertainment i need from reading this thread
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Clans are full of insufferable narcissist that act like hungry wolves against one victim as they would be too pussy to attack alone and this thread only proved me right.
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That is what we call in the biz, projection.
Because Beside the lack comprehension and a lack of basic reading comprehension skills ( since your first message )
Unlike your guys “ muh club honor “ I have very little to gain from mode improvement.
Much to your people clan Who NEEDS validation or fame reasons 
Interesting for you to say so, where you still have no club whats being discussed here.
And, can not logically think outside ape mentality.
This guy somehow does not understand the basic concept of examples 
And even as proved, can and will include ww2 content.
But go on little buddy, keep clutching all of the straws you got.
Also, way to show lack of self awareness, but okay.
I sure you so.
But, i neve left so 
You havent ben that around for that long to have a point im afraid.
Says the guy who literally got triggered when he was reminded of being rightfully called out as dyslexic
Now thats and xd Moment.
I wouldnt call my self a victim, but yes.
Ape mentality who needs to defend the group and cannot logically think for the good of everyone else but themselves.
Didnt expected for my thread to be so accurate, i was literally joking
Even though on my self “ nah, they surely arent this dense, right ? “
Well that pretty much answered for it.
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Yeah, clans are trash. I think I was in a match with EvaWhatsItTooya or something like that and the person would not stop criticising the team and calling us names, just because we were losing.
Like I’m sorry if I’m not as good as you at the game. I have more important things to spend $5,000 on instead of a PC (like a car) and I have to help my disabled mother and study hard to graduate, meaning life takes priority.
Perhaps clan members should actually reconsider what is important. Stomping the enemy team, or enjoying life. My choice is the second easily.
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ngl I thought you were overreacting till I saw all the cope from the clan players.
I mean I must admit, you didnt win me onto your side, but your foes certainly did.
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Clans are always joke. no matter the what game is. they are always exist to ruin fun of randoms, the true game populations
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I don’t care about these things myself.
But I have to admit, the mod author did a great job!
I am willing to support you because some clan players will invite their clan members to agree to their topics after initiating them, which is a disruption to the forum.
You can see everything that has happened in this topic:
A large number of clan members, very terrifying.
It is extremely unethical to use the power of the clan to suppress opposing voices.
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This isn’t happening, and to say that a small group of people who actually do agree on topics, and not all of us agree or bother to post on the forum, are trying to control the forums of oppress the voice of others; is a bit ridiculous and overblown. We are literally just like-minded individuals with our own voices, and when we discuss these things with Community Managers like MajorMcDonald, or Helpers like Euthy (or in the past James Grove) they would tell us that posting on the forums is a better way to discuss things. Sharing our posts within Enlisted discords and internally, with our clan and with many people outside of clans, is not a disruption of the forum. Neither is suggesting that people who agree or DISAGREE with the post to get involved.
It’s better if it’s true.Considering that you have almost the same response time, I choose to believe half of it. 
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