Do you have a source because I would really like to know more about that.
Battle of Moscow
Time range: Sep 30, 1941-Jan 5, 1942
Location: from near Smolensk and Bryansk, which are about 300km away from Moscow to 20km from the Kremlin.
German Army Group Center vs Soviet Western Front
The T-50 was Introduced in July 1941. Plant No. 174 produced all serial versions. In Leningrad, it produced 50: 15 in July and 35 in August). When it was evacuated to Chkalov (Orenburg), it produced 25 tanks from December to March. On January 6th, 1942, Stalin ordered T-50 manufacturing to cease.
â9 T-50s were sent to Kubinka on August 13th, of those 8 went to the 150th Tank Brigade. This was the only batch of vehicles that did not go to a unit from Leningrad. The ninth tank stayed at Kubinka for some time where it was used to test camouflage patterns. Later, the tank ended up in the 22nd Tank Brigade, likely in that same winter camo. Just like the experimental A-20 tank that served in that brigade, its career was over in a flash. It arrived there, served, and then vanished to parts unknown.â
âIn the 150th TB, there were also complaints about the transmission. The peak of their combat career took place in October of 1941. 4 tanks burned up, 3 were knocked out and later restored. The brigade had no T-50 tanks left by the end of the month. However, at least one T-50 (serial number K-11232) survived the fighting at Glukhovo. This vehicle ended up in Chkalov (modern day Orenburg) where factory #174 was evacuated to. It was repaired, after which it was sent to the Chkalov Tank School and later the 488th Independent Tank Battalion.â
Tank Archives: The Unluckiest Next Generation Tank
According to Operation Typhoon: The German Assault on Moscow, 1941 - Philippe Naud - Google ĺžäšŚ, 3 T-50s of the 150th TB were destroyed near the village of Essman on 30.9.1941. The engagement started around 8 oâclock.
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Essman is between Sevsk and Gluchov, near the Russian-Ukrainian border.
You can find the 150th TB on the following map:
An excerpt from Robert Forczyk, Tank Warfare on the Eastern Front, 1941-1942: Schwerpunkt (Barnsley, South Yorkshire: Pen and Sword Books, 2013) detailing the situation:
âPolkovnik Boris S. Bakharov, an experienced tank officer, commanded the 150th Tank Brigade, which sat astride the Glukhov-Orel road with twelve T-34 and eight T-50 tanks. The 14-ton T-50 was a new light tank that had just entered production as a replacement for the T-26 and it had the sloped armour and diesel engine of the T-34, but only forty-eight were completed before the GKO terminated the program in favor of the cheaper T-60.
Kampfgruppe Eberbach from 4.Panzer-Division formed the schwerpunkt and easily punched through the front-line positions of the Soviet 283rd Rifle Division, but ran into a company of tanks from Bakharovâs 150th Tank Brigade at Essman. Eberbachâs panzers from I./Pz.Regt 35 knocked out a few enemy light tanks that appeared, but were stopped for a couple of hours by two T-34 tanks in excellent hull-down positions near the town. The German tankers also encountered a substantial obstacle belt comprised of wooden TMD-40 anti-tank mines which, so far, had been rare on the Eastern Front. Eberbach sent the II/Pz.Regt 35 on a flank march to hit the T-34s from behind, but a T-34 knocked out the Pz.III belonging to Oberleutnant Arthur Wollschlaeger, commander of the 6.Kompanie. The German tankers called in air support and a flight of Bf-110 fighter-bombers strafed the Soviet positions, prompting the enemy tanks to disengage.â
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great research. multiple sources of which one claims to have taken data directly from russian archives.
this should then be enough proof that t50 was in moscow once and for all.
Dunno why the devs didnt.
No Japanese reports, just American and British reports about their capture.
Also I had this message as a draft for 2 weeks but I forgot to send it, sorry about that.
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- type hei - 50 rifles were made, not made in mass production cause too high costs
- type otsu - 10-25 rifles were made, removed from trials cause of inferior accuracy
- type 4 - 20 were made, unreliable owing to poor durability of the components and faults with the gas piston
- mp28 - never used. there are only records of SIG-Bergmann M1920 machine pistol being used
- type 97 LMG - its designation is heavy tank machine gun or just heavy machine gun and not LMG
- type 2a - between 50-100(150?) were made, experimental, not used in combat
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- type 1 smg - ~50 were made, experimental, not used in combat
There were 900 transferred to Leningrad
SVT was the most controllable full power rifle in WW2, it may have had deviation issues but not recoil issues.
RD-44 was field tested, it evolved into the RPD-45
Was used in combat, several batches captured by the Chinese and British. Chinese mad a copy in .45 ACP
source?
there were only 3200 built, it is unknown how many were actually stored in 1928. when it was reissued in 1940 during winter war it was given to military intelligence and only source that i have seen mentioning it tells that most of them were expanded or destroyed in winter war. there is absolutely no source that i know of(doesnt mean that it doesnt exist) that shows usage of fedorov avtomat in any post winter war battlefield.
notice AVT, not SVT.
and if you want source from book here is from
Small arms of the world; the basic manual of military small arms, American British, Russian, German, Italian, Japanese, and all other important nations
by
Smith, W. H. B. (Walter Harold Black), 1901-1959Publication date
1955
@Veekay45 can explain more about this gun
Kampfpistole wasnât used as dedicated AT weapon, when PzF30/Faustpatrone 30 Klein are available
Certainly both Bipod and bayonet of FG42 are usable, the grenade launcher is functional but it can crack the stock using it
In infantry squad formation, only the NCO used SMG, excluding specialized squad
Breda .30 wasnât used extensively during the war due reliability reason
German used all kind of weapon, from any nation they can get in the field due shortage of weapons and Ally bombing the factories
It would be easier to list the stuff they got right.
Historical accuracy society lists the things they got right:
The knife.
Yes RD-44 was field tested, just like every other Soviet firearm was field tested, thatâs how Soviet arms development worked.
They would get gun designers to submit prototypes, evaluate them via a commission, reject all or green light one if it showed potential, produce a mini batch, send it to experienced troops for feedback (âfield trialsâ), request the designer to improve upon feedback. Rinse and repeat.
So it was always a symbiotic development process between three major parties: the designer, the manufacturing factory and the troops in the field who would be using them.
That would usually take 2-3 years from initial âadoptionâ to actual mass issue to troops for combat.
I.e. âfield testingâ =/= combat use or issue to troops.
RD-44 was being developed during WW2, including getting feedback from troops, but it was never deployed for combat in WW2.