Giving the US its actual Guns

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So here it goes

Ross replaced with the 1903A3 infantry rifle as first rifle able to buy. Simplified sights.and better stock then the ww1 1903.
(not to be confused with the 1903A1 and 1903A4 sniper variants

M1A1 Carbine at level 3 to replace the Lee enfield. Semi auto at lvl 3
could be pretty powerfull but due to the low quality folding stock
accuracy was affected along with high recoil caused the gun to not be
very popular in reallife.

Bazooka replaces Piat at lvl 8 (panzershrek or Panzerfaust to replace sturmpostole as that was only used on the eastern front).

BAR-1918A1 moved to level 11 to replace the Bren and the BAR-1918A2 moved to level 19 to take the 1918A1s current place

M1 Tompson with 20 round magazines replaces the Sten at lvl 22

1919A6 added to lvl 25 1 100 round belt low rof and horrible accuracy
when not deployed would balance this with the MG-34 and MG-42 really
well.

M1A1 Tompson replaces lanchester at lvl 26

1928 Tommy Gun with 50 round drums goes to lvl 29.

This is all 100 percent historical and what was used by the US.

Now im not saying remove all of the Commonwealth weapons from the game just the American tech tree and move them to the Tunisia campaign were they should be.

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Interesting concept, and yes it would be much more realistic that way in terms of it being US vs Germany instead of Allies vs Axis at D-Day, but the thing is, there were 6 beaches at D-Day if I’m not mistaken, which took place at Normandy. 3 beaches for America, 2 for Britain, and 1 for Canada, if I’m not mistaken. So, if this ‘Normandy Invasion D-Day’ map took place at a line between beaches where there might be some mixed-nations fighting on the go (I don’t know enough about the actual combat that took place along the beach, and if there were areas of American/British side-by-side, Canadian/British, and Canadian/American), then technically it MIGHT be realistic to have a bit of a mix between different squads. The fact I can have a sniper with an American M1903 scoped rifle, a machine gunner with a British Bren, and a rifleman with a WWI Canadian rifle that was replaced in like 1915 with the Lee Enfield, all on the same squad
 is pretty darn unrealistic.

I could very well make a British-style squad with Lee Enfields, a BREN, and perhaps some STENs once I unlock them, and they would be right at home at Canada’s Juno beach or one of Britain’s beaches, I recall Sword and Gold I think? But yeah, maybe Tunisia will have the British firearms transferred there and so segregate Normandy as being purely American and Tunisia as being purely British. That actually sounds pretty darn neat! Though if they include some British voice actors so you can either voluntarily switch the accent of your squad, or maybe each squad is given the accent of whichever nation the squad is from (Big Red 1 of course being American) then we could still include the British (and Canadian) firearms, then let people decide for themselves.

Personally, though I LOVE the Lee Enfield bolt-action rifle and prefer it over the Mauser or Mosin, my squads are basically all-American except for
 wow, yeah, I guess just ONE gunner left with a BREN while the other two were given M1918A1 instead. Interesting, but yeah, semi-autos are superior to bolt-actions within 50-100m or so. Realistically speaking, once you go out sufficient distance, the recoil of the M1 Garand would require re-alignment of sights for each shot if you hope to hit anything, and since the firing has slowed down sufficiently, the advantage of the semi-auto over a bolt-action is greatly reduced, unless perhaps you’re prone and/or have the rifle rested to reduce recoil as much as possible, in which case, it would take even more distance to further lengthen the time of shot re-alignment and the reset/prep of the trigger, followed by the crisp break of the trigger pull to get maximum possible accuracy. Slowly squeeze, hold it on target, and let the round go off when it wants to. Though, for moving targets, that’s not so much of an option unless you are able to lead the target smoothly and accurately as they move in a consistent direction, like clay pigeon shooting!

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So more or less how it was in the progressionless Normandy test.

I wouldn’t be surprised if most of what we had comes back after Tunisia is added.

Though I still think the Bazooka was far better than the Panzerfaust and Germany needs the Panzerschreck to keep up with the Bazooka’s cross-map range

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if you want us weapons they will be available as soon as more premium squads are made,that how i see the devs doing it.

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close but no it was 5 in total, 2 america “ohama” and “utah”, 2 british “gold” and “sword” and one candian which was “juno”

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Point Du Hoc for the US Rangers.

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Commonwealth are getting there own campaign set in Tunisia so all the weapons should be moved there.

No Commonwealth Uniforms voices or vehicles so the Allies at Normandy ingame are all American therefor should have all American Weapons.

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Thats great and i think they were tested to the point we know they work now we know that give us our rightful weapons please. Dont take up half of US tech tree testing out another countries weapons.

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ah ok, thanks for informing me

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Checked and confirmed it, I was indeed wrong, thanks for the correction. 2, 2, and 1. McClain had a piece wrote about a Juno veteran of D-Day, Canadian, a rifleman if I’m not mistaken so he’d have been outfitted with a No.4 Lee Enfield I dare say.

Ah, I found the article! Here it is for any who wishes to read it, it was published for the 60 year anniversary, at least it seems, given it’s June 7, a day after the anniversary. Les Wagar, and he compares his experience during D-Day to what occurred in Saving Private Ryan even though they were on two different beaches; Omaha rather than Juno. Based on my research years ago, if I’m not mistaken, the only beach that saw more ferocious resistance from the Germans was Omaha, which was the most brutal of the 5. I guess Juno was 2nd toughest, and the 2 British and 1 remaining American beach weren’t quite so bad.

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Oof, you give a really valid point there if that’s true. Yeah, perhaps all the Commonwealth weaponry will indeed be transferred to Tunisia eventually, we’ll see. Although, Canadian accents aren’t all that far from some American accents. At least outside of Maritime Canada and Quebec. I’d have to research which of the squads (like the Big Red One) are actually from the real conflict, and if they’re all indeed American. Perhaps they all are, and all the uniforms too. If that’s all true, then yes, Commonwealth firearms should be transferred over to the Tunisia campaign once it’s running and only US tech should remain for Normandy, unless they do something to incorporate in a segregated manner, Commonwealth squads/uniforms/accents/weaponry. I think we can agree on that. Pretty silly to see someone in a US uniform, speaking American (or at least North American) dialect, and using a BREN which is what is happening in one of my squads. It would similarly be silly to see, for example, a Scotsman of the British Military in a kilt armed with an M1903 rifle. If it’s a bolt-action, it’d be either Mk.III* (SMLE) or No.4 Lee Enfield.

Only exception would be if it was some kinda section of beach where one side spawned American and the other spawned British, there were inter-Allied (I think I invented a new term) efforts against the Germans in mixed-unit tactics and for some reason one of the British Scots picked up an American bolt-action, maybe because he was armed with a STEN but wanted something for longer-range shots. It would be more likely that there’d be British rifles nearby, but there could be a dead American lying about somewhere who wouldn’t be cross at someone nicking his kit.

Honestly, I REALLY like that idea, of ‘inter-Allied’ mixed-unit events taking part on the same battlefield with each side segregated in terms of units/dialect/equipment. It would be even cooler if, on those maps, the over-the-top happy and excited dialogue would include some comments to the other nation.

US to UK: “ALRIGHT, LIMIES, LET’S SEE IF YOU CAN KEEP UP!” (I think ‘limies’ would be period-correct)
UK to US: “COME NOW, YANKS, LET’S STICK IT TO THOSE JERRY ROTTERS!”
Canada to US: “YOU WANTED TO GO ‘OVER THERE,’ WELL YOU’RE HERE, NOW GET 'EM!”

Granted ‘over there’ is originally from WWI, but I still think it’s a funny notion, and Canadians probably have been exposed to that song and its WWII revival than British soldiers. Cheers!

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And gib P-38 bombs plz


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Interesting fact is that all higgins boat drivers were actually british so there is no doubt some of that dialog did happen

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Quoting and replying to my own post here. I found a relevant website.
https://www.dday-overlord.com/en/battle-of-normandy/after-action-reports

Look at those symbols! The two SMG ‘Airborne’ divisions, US. All 5 US infantry divisions; infantry, sniper, flamethrower, engineer, and radio. I seriously thought that they made up some of those funny symbols, but nope, they’re right there! Seems legit, AND, seems to be all-American thus far. I’ve not checked on ALL of the squad symbols, but I think it highly likely that they’re all American.

So, yup, get Tunisia up and running and get those Commonwealth firearms segregated over to there! Invasion of Normandy, for Enlisted, is strictly US vs Germany and the inclusion of all the non-US gear appears to be an affront to the realism. Actually I may well just get rid of that last BREN I have available (even though it’s 1 star from being fully upgraded) and ensure that all LMGs in use are BARs, no matter the make or model. Can’t do anything about the PIAT though


Yup, checked the list of known users of the PIAT on Wiki. There’s the WWII-era flag of Canada, and Australia, but no United States flag. The US stuck to their Bazookas I guess and didn’t bother the Brits at all about receiving some of their quite affordably-made PIAT weapons, though Bazookas were also quite affordable to my understanding. I mean, it’s largely just a tube lol The most complex part of it is probably the electrical system, by which I mean the trigger causing an electric current that sets off the RPG, which the soldier was required to wire to the RPG itself in order for it to work. With the later Super Bazooka, they changed the RPG/wiring setup so that the only way you can put the RPG in is with it already being connected to the wiring just by being in that unchangeable correct position. Thus, the loader can just ram it in and it’s good to go. In WWII, or at least with the original Bazooka, they had to do that silly wiring stuff.

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The only few things we used that were British made were 57mm AT gun the engines for the P-51-C/Ds
And some of the many AA pieces we used.

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Did some research to see if I could find anything to the contrary. Best I could find was Vietnam era US Special Forces using suppressed STEN SMGs, and that British Welrod pistols were used by US Special Forces in ‘Detachment A’ section of Cold War era Berlin. So yeah, seems like any use of British firearms by the US in WWII would at most be rare or fleeting instances that are situational, far from being normal equipment that is issued that is from the British. Even checked the Maxim. Maybe there had been times when US Forces got an opportunity to use a Maxim in combat that was owned by the British, but if that ever happened, it would have been situational like I said. Quite a lot changed for America between the two World Wars it seems, that old British M1917 rifle got a whole lot of use with American soldiers, and the Maxim Gun had been adopted by America in 1907 or so but I think by WWII they may have left that out in favour of their many M1919 machine guns.

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Deeeeepends. M1,M1A1 or M9 are the two models which are appropriate with the first M9s being delivered in August '44. The M1 would be limited to the M6 rockets while the M1A1 and M9
could also use the M6A1 and M6A3 rockets. I’m not completely shure if the M1A1 could actually use the latter. Right now the Bazooka on the training ground is a M1A1 wit M6A1 rockets.

The M6A1 could penetrate 3" and the M6A1 3,5-4" (for comparission PIAT: 4").
Muzzle velocity for both: 265 ft/s / 81 m/s ( PIAT: 250 ft/s / 76 m/s)

So from a perspective focused purely on performance, the Bazooka which is already in the game would be worse than the PIAT, if the the M6A3 rockets would be introduced it’s penetration would be on par with the PIAT with a negligible V0 advantage.

The RPzB 54 aka “Panzerschreck”
230mm penetration vs. RHA* in german tests 216mm pen vs. FHA*
Muzzle velocity: 110m/s / 360 ft/s

Panzerfaust variants:
Faustpatrone 30: 140mm pen 28 m/s
Panzerfaust 30: 140mm pen 30 m/s
Panzerfaust 60: 200mm pen 80 m/s
Panzerfaust 100: 200mm pen 100m/s

Panzerfaust 30 and Faustpatrone 30 had roughly 30% less velocity than the Panzerwurfkörper 42 (Sturmpistole) but 140mm penetration are already far ahead of PIAT/Bazooka/Sturmpistole.
Panzerfaust 60 and 100 hve equal or better velocities compared to the Bazooka and 200mm penetration compared to the best case 102mm of the M6A2 rockets.

So to keep up with the Bazooka, the Panzerschreck is not really necessary. Panzerfaust 30 or 60 already declassify the Bazooka while the former has at least a range disadvantage.

*RHA=Rolled Homogeneous Armor; FHA=Face-Hardened Armor

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naive, i dont think the tech tree would be change anymore, if they do like you say so, who pay for the campain level? who spend time to digging the next rank for the level reward? they wont change the level reward that already placed, they will append it at the new level, so just get ready to spend tons of trash time to get the new weapon and vehicle

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I think there’s good to get British or other weapons into the game, gives more variety, maybe the US should get their before.

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It’s because they’ve done the usual uninspired faux-pas WW2 game dev thing and just simply went with the Americans again as one of the first allied factions on the western front instead of having the French or British, or expanding the Normandy campaign to “western front” and including those two factions alongside the US, each having their proper weapons and equipment. As a token gesture, they added other allied weapons to make up for it.