Although the tank is not certainly bad, in that it is excellent against infantry and light soviet tanks due to its explosive filler, it is almost useless against T-50s and T28Es. It is also basically a common carbon copy of the Panzer 4 E in everyway but a cm more armour on the frontal hull (that’s how it feels). Therefore to make it more unique and actually equal or on par to the ungodly T28E, it should get HEAT. It’s a bit silly that the premium version gets it but not even the later tech tree version…
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Unfortunately DarkFlow is not going to remove the cash cow that is the E.
If they gave HEAT to the F1 it would make the E superfluous.
The only option would be to Add in a tech tree StuG for a tank equivalent counter that isn’t locked behind a paywall.
Beyond that the PaK38 is a very good option against the T50, it can pen it easily frontally. The PZ3 J and PZ4 F1 can kill it via thr coupla and cheeks, though it can be hard with the shell arc on the F1.
Sadly the gave the HEAT to the premium one. P2W you know
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Not really, people would still buy it as the F1 is a very late game unlock.
Not really. A stationary AT gun will be noticed and taken out way too fast, if you even manage to fully build it without getting your noggin shot off that is.
Rushing with a detpack is a better option then trying to mess with the engineer AT gun.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
I’ve won many games because the Grey Zoning T50s and T28s, refuse to push and want to farm , with the build speed perk and good positioning on the PaK its lights out because of its high RoF.
Sure its not ideal, they need to make AT guns more forgiving of Terrain and with better Depression, bit I’ve done it enough to trust in it as a counter.
On Beloe and Quarry, its Rally point than setup a PaK and I’m.usually not disappointed.
Det packs do work too, but if your on the second point of Beloe and that T50 is still on its initial spawn, its a tall ask to swim the lake and get it.
As for the E , sure maybe people would still buy it, but the company is in the interest of making money, so it will potentially never get its historical ammo loadout.
Hence the StuG suggestion.
It would at least be different enough to give players the option while keeping the E happily behind its paywall.
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Completely agree. Trying to find a spot where you can actually place it, only to build it and find out you’re about 2cm too high is something I never want to repeat again.
Yeah, at that point I just spawn a tank or Bf-110 (depends what I currently have in my lineup).
The reason I do not want a stug is because I don’t want the soviets to get a T34 and become even more op than they currently are.
As much as it pains me to say it, we are for sure to face the T34 and KV1 either in Moscow, or a branch of it if Stalingrad comes next.
Not much to do about it other than try and counter with what we have and are given.
Plane controls on console are at best anemic or I would spawn as a plane. Beyond that I’m usually needed at the point more than in the air. At least for a Tank I will say yes, I think they fixed it so you can’t nuke us out of spawn from that second point, but before it was pretty easy from the far side to just kill us seconds from Spawn.
I’m fairly certain the Kv-1 was confirmed by the devs to be too much for moscow and said it will not be added there.
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Aww no, I hope that’s not true, as where else would they add this iconic tank??? As although there is talk about Stalingrad, I highly doubt it because it would be just Moscow 2.0
I like the idea of the Stug, although the panzer 4 F1 should still get HEAT. Maybe add the stugg with Pak 40 gun instead of the stub as the unlock before the panzer 4 F2 maybe?
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with AVT-40 + T34-76 + Panzer IV F2 + Tiger 1 + Mkb 42 Assaulter
Yea, hopefully all this stuff makes it to moscow
I hope that is. You know how op that would be? Almost nothing could kill it and it would be as good against infantry as the Panzer 4s. That thing would be broken. And the fact it’d come to the stronger faction makes it even worse.
And also, the axis have no counterpart, so that’s another issue.
What the next tank vs tank in moscow should be:
T-34 (1940) vs PZIIIL or PZIIIJ/1 - more than fair matchup
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I disagree, the panzer 4 F2 would be more than a match for the KV1-L.
I agree, and the next tank match up after this should be KV1-L vs Panzer 4 F2
As far as I’m aware, no F2s took part in the Battle of Moscow. By the time The battle of moscow was ending, they were only starting to get shipped to the front lines on the eastern front.
And adding it wouldn’t fix the issues of all other tanks being useless against it. Face it, the Kv-1 is simply too much for Moscow.
Too unfair for early tanks.
Pz3J1 would be underpowered, as the 45mms can frontally pen it without issues, whereas the T34 can’t be penned by early axis tanks, so you’d have to add the Pz3L to make it a fair matchup, which would make the early soviet tanks useless as well, making an even worse balance difference between early and late camapign equipment then there already is.
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No it wouldnt.
Since the PZIIIL has add on armor rather than regular armor there are plenty of holes in it. Like the gunners optic, turret MG, since 45mm has APHE it can shoot the commanders cupola.
The PZIIIL would be similar like the T50 is now.
For once germany could have a good tank like the T50. But this time the soviets would get an amazing counter. T-34
And do you know how the soviet mains would seethe and complain about it? Wonder what wasted would think if he was here 
And the T34 would still be stronger. As barely anything could counter it on the german side. Certainly not any tank that’s lower than lvl22.
I still think it’s pushing it. I believe tanks of T50 level and above should never have been added, as I kinda like the small tonks. It’s unique. And I’m not sure If turning the tank matchup into Normandy 2.0 would be the best idea.