you just have 5 ammo less and soviets can use body armor at any BR ! since FG need 2 hit with vitality and body armor german have a 20 mag for 10 kill while avs can get 15 kill
If another auth would have the same recoil as the fg, then yes, maybe honestly, besides, there is no difference between a fallen or killed fighter, if a fighter survived after being shot thanks to a cuirass, this does not mean that he will survive in general, if there was one who shot without finishing the fighter, this means that he will soon it will finish him off, but the cuirass does not allow him to survive two shots from the fg 42
In addition, due to the fact that the fg has a weaker return, the chance that a long queue at an average distance will be able to kill or overturn the entire squad is higher than the chances of an AVT in one full turn to achieve a similar result at the same distance
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Well USSR can use some semi auto for BR II and some New end game tank also
Wermacht face as a profile,
“the FG rifles suck”
why am I not surprised
Well, let me try doing a “correct” assesment.
Ok, sure, believable, never really saw this in action but numbers don’t lie.
Explain this to me if I’m wrong but are you saying the AVS is better becasue it was buffed… in the same update in which the FG rifles recieved the exact same buff?
If my memory serves me right then the soviet rifles did recieve default full auto mode first, but if we are talking about quote
then why are you comparing when they recieved the same default firing mode if they all have the same buff now?
I get your argument about the “better” weapon coming in the tech tree first, but honestly thats a matter of opinion. Some like the 43 more, some the 42. I honestly prefer the mg-13 over the Zb-26, and the Fedorov is definitely not better than the AS-44 (More bullets, bayonet, better recoil, has a better TTK if the target has the vitality perk). Even if your argument was solid then you are still using grinding time, which takes a few battles at most per weapon, to justify final stats… which last forever. How does this fit into your idea that we are comparing rifles “in their current state”?
I do believe that their is a lot of balancing problems. You failed to mention that the FG rifles also have worse dispersion, which is an actually valid argument, and the absence of a bayonet (honestly devs just unfold it already). You also commited an “incorrect assessment” and did not adress all the factors, and I am still not convinced that the FG-42-2 is worse then the AVT/S. Honestly, I would like everyone to just have 20 rounds, the stats of the T20 (with slight differences ofc) and no more hidden factors like the soviet vests. Hopefully, you see my point here. Cheers
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This is honestly the fastest way to render every argument you made incredible.
You’re free to check my post history regarding my balance opinions. Prefacing your reply with an accusation with zero substance is peak forum incompetence.
The buff I’m referring to where the AVS and FG rifles starting in full auto instead of semi auto also reduced the recoil of the AVS rifle such that instead of being inferior to the AVT, the AVS is now superior to the AVT.
The AVS, in the same buff that made FG 42s start in full auto, lower recoil and faster aim speed for a slightly worse reload rate than the AVT, while maintaining its higher damage.
Because literally no one asked for the AVS rifle to be buffed in a way other than to simply make it start in full auto.
The FG 42 before the select-fire buff not only had no modifiers to recoil control which meant that the listed in-game statcard recoil is the recoil of the gun, instead of a percentage like literally every other automatic weapon in the game.
Oh, but I have mentioned the lack of a bayonet and the dispersion. Even the damage relative to other automatic rifles.
Just not in this thread. Once again, you’re free to check my forum activity.
But I suppose you just saw my funny username, my profile picture and the fact I’m saying a german gun is bad, and made no other considerations.
I did not go into full detail because I am not arguing with the OP’s asking for a 20rd magazine AVT. I made an argument specifically because he prefaced the entire thread by calling the AVT rifle the worst rifle in the game when it literally isn’t. Bringing up “how bad the FG 42 truly is” is largely irrelevant in a thread asking for a 20rd AVT.
As I’ve said in the first post, I don’t truly care whether or not it ends up getting it. I have no intention of making every automatic rifle thread an FG 42 pity party.
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Thanks… I guess? Do tell me what you meant to write though.)
Believe me, I will admit all my bias as soon as you give me proof that I simply looked at your username and not past activity before writing a obviously sarcastic comment.
Oh, I’m sure that you “literally” looked through both forums, read every singly comment and irl suggestion to DF and made sure no one did before writing that, o great and impecable creator of perfect arguments
nope. But I suppose you likewise simply looked at my first words and made up your mind on me being a mindless soviet main that thinks the only reason he does not have a 100% winrate is becasue of how weak his weapons are.
If I am not mistaken, after checking your forum activity as you suggested, YOU were the first person in this thread to say that the FG rifles are the worst in the game.
I quote
This is the first time anyone brings up the FG. I suppose doing things that you yourself call “irrelevant” helps your argument?
Ok. Then why did you bring up how bad the FG is and made this thread into a “FG pity party”?
Honestly I do not see your argument and problem with this suggestion. If you agree with it, then awesome. If you dont, but only bring up stats and numbers that benefit you, I dont think I can convince you otherwise. But do look into what you say and stop contardicting yourself. Its very hard to argue with someone that says he believes one thing, but does the complete opposite.
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That was not a compliment. Refer to a dictionary as to how “incredible” is defined as.
No. The first thought I had, and still retain, is the fact that you have the audacity to accuse someone you know nothing about.
Posts pointing to a “muh x faction main” bias instead of an argument over the merits is telling. “Surely this Stein Grenadier guy now thinks I’m a Soviet main. 'Gottem”
I read what people say. I don’t start posts with “Oh wow, he has this name and profile pic, he’s certainly a main of something.”
Fret not. This, I’ll take literally as a compliment whether you intended to or not.
In the context of the original owner of the thread incorrectly claiming the AVT is the worst rifle in the game.
To prove a point to the OP that they were wrong about the AVT being the “worst select-fire rifle.”
I have not.
You asked why I didn’t bring up the full breadth of the argument as to why I consider the FG 42 to be the worst automatic rifle at present, and you even brought up certain aspects that could be used in that argument- But it was never the focus of my very first post.
My very first post in this thread was merely to point out that the OP saying “AVT rifles are the worst” is incorrect, and that I am indifferent as to whether or not the AVT ends up getting a 20rd mag.
And your very first post in the thread- Among literally every other post, was to continue the discussion on the FG 42 when it was only briefly mentioned.
You’ve made something someone only mentioned in passing into a conversation unrelated to the main topic itself.
Wasn’t the FG buff actually a nerf because the devs made a mistake with the extra “recoil controll multiplier” or something?
well
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And how does giving bogus reasons as to why the FG is the worst rifle even fit into your argument?
Again, you said that bringing up the FG would be irrelevant in a post about the AVT and said you could live with it getting the 20 round magazine. Before that, you yourself was the first person to bring the FG up. You say you are indifferent as to wether the AVT gets the 20, yet for some reason you still had to start the FG pity party. My mentioning of the FG (by the way, thanks for reading my messages, honestly touching how much you care) is simply there as an awnser to your inability to even accept the fact that the AVT has a unjustified 20 round magazine without bringing up the FG while you are at it. Ergo, you are the one contradicting yourself. I dont see how you manage to keep blindly ignoring facts, but if you do… then why am I even writing this. I will look into any solid arguments though, I am definitely for balancing and if you bring write a good thread of your own then I will check it out. Otherwise, the FG pity party stops here.
Honesltly, I did not have a fully maxed out FG at that time and still think I am a below average player so I wont make any assumptions here, but quite possible. Overall I think the last clan war (where everyone was using mainly select fire rifles) should show an expert opionon as to which ones are the best in their current state… spoiler, no one played USSR.
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clan wars are a joke, their self proclaimed “professional status” is laughable.
stop being ridiculous.
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Pointless because there is no…
US vs USSR
Japan vs USSR
Japan vs Axis
to make such events even worth mentioning from the start when it comes to game balance.
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ok
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what
no seriously what do you mean
they play all factions against each other, but obviously also randoms as well
and literaly just use the best weapons in the game by natural selection
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And I said…
So I dont care about their highly-valued opinion about USSR vs USA when talking about actual game balance unless the MM enables USSR vs USA in normal matches. Its not like Battlefield or Call of Duty or any other shooter with factions having not only their own equipment but also not fight against all of each other.
I dont know why that is rocket science to ya.
Again…
They fight with everthing, but their opinion about which weapon is the best comes from experience playing in normal matches.
And even then, just becasue the hei beats any other select fire weapon in custom matches do you think it won’t beat the t20 in randoms for some reason?
And
We normal plebs dont fight with everything.
And
Devs don’t balance based on couple of clan plebs playing USSR versus Japan in Ver-Sur.
Aye, those normal matches of Germans facing Japaneses in Normandy, got it.
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