Germany really didn’t have great options in br2 without the mp40. The mp3008, ovp & Beretta 1918 should be moved down to br1. There’s an argument to be made that the 20rnd beretta m38 could move up to br2. Personally I’m starting to love the m38, it’s been unfairly maligned on this forum. Having said that, the mp40 fits better into br2, and provides comparable firepower to other nations.
The soviets get great options in every br for smgs, they really aren’t lacking. The higher rpm and lower damage necessitate a slightly different play style to really bring out their best.
The mp40 is a gold standard for an smg for sure, but it’s only marginally better than the pps in certain circumstances. They’re all worthy of br2.
Remember you aren’t exclusively going to find yourself facing mp40s with pps43s. There’s a whole lot going on in any given match, and one weapon isn’t going to be the sole deciding factor.
You see how “balanced” populations are! Axis mains say everything is fine, and the commieboos in this very thread complain that puting arms of similar performance at same battle rating is wrong, when it’s supposed to be the very reason of existence of br.
I say: let’s take all chances we can to make things better.
Basic laws of physics is a “skill issue” apparently.
So in that case, it didn’t need to be Tier 2, then. It was fine where it was at Tier 3.
You speak as if ROF determines an entire weapon’s performance, it doesn’t. “Time to kill” Implying the PPS is a laser pointer and hits every single bullet it fires without regards to any dispersion it possesses. I can tell you probably don’t know how guns work, but control of a weapon is super important when you’re going to make one full auto. It is basic laws of physics.
I already listed the differences in a prior post but you chose to ignore them and call them “irrelevant” when they are infact advantages and proceed to say rate of fire is everything.
Irrelevant, it has over 1000 rate of fire, and thus less time to kill, and makes it better than the PPSH and thus must be Tier 5. Just control it better.
erm… mp40 that was worse weapon was on BR3 and pps 42 and 43 which were better weapons were on BR2. so yes mp40 had to go down to BR2 or pps had to go up to BR3
ffs it is accurate and controllable and that is why rof is important. you are talking like pps43 is mg with shit recoil that goes all over the place on full auto.
omg 0.01 dispersion difference… so much advantage… 0.1 seconds reload speed… so much advantage… ffs what would i call them if not irrelevant? if you are thinking that they are relevant then you are delusional. only relevant stat was recoil which pps42 is even better than mp40 and pps43 is worse, but still easily controllable. if you are having problem controlling pps43 then problem is in user and not the weapon.
ffs when all things are comparable then ROF is important. vertical recoil is easily controllable cause you just need to pull down. horizontal recoil isnt cause it goes random left and right. magazine size is also important. why do you think that box ppsh41 is BR3 and drum ppsh41 is BR5?
No, it didn’t. Bc the PPS is worse than the MP-38/40, I already listed why.
I posted earlier specifying the disadvantages of the PPS that states otherwise. You are talking as if control isn’t a factor when using full-auto guns despite several guns like the Thompson being retrofitted to have reduced firerate.
Advantages.
They’re only “delusional” because it was inconvenient I didn’t say the MP-38/40 was worse.
Nope, that’s irrelevant, according to you. Just control it better, that’s a user problem and not the weapon.
Not to mention, do you even realize the USSR switched to 9mm pistol ammunition after WWII because it was more powerful, had higher stopping power, and was a slower and heavier bullet than the 7.62 Tokarev cartridge?
Again, I can tell you don’t know much about guns. No offense.
Germany lost this game due to: Poor defense, Poor offense, They got crushed by radio men’s arty.
And yet Germans will still say the soviets are soooooo OP!
And the odd paratrooper but that shit broken no matter which side has it.
Soviet’s unique ability should have been the paratrooper’s whole ordeal, Each nation’s paratroopers having “unique” abilities is stupid.
i will not even bother to make arguments for your reply. all that was needed to be said about pps42, pp43 and mp40 was said in previous posts. pps42, pps43 are better than mp40 and that is why they need to be on same tier. there is absolutely 0 argument that you have made that would justify mp40 staying in tier above pps.
it is irrelevant when differences are small. also there is difference between controlling predictable upwards recoil and controlling random horizontal recoil.
and that is relevant for ingame weapon performance exactly how? we are talking about game weapons and game mechanics.
I already said the argument, you just refused to acknowledge and called it “irrelevant” when its infact not at all.
Those were not ‘small’ differences, those were the main stats and things considering when using a full auto gun
Probably because they’re modeled off real life performance?
Why is it every time someome brings up a point to counter your claims, you label everything as “irrelevant”?
so 1.5% dispersion isnt considered small difference? or 5% difference in reload speed despite having 10% bigger magazine? what would you call these if not irrelevant differences.
lol. when you have BA that kill in one shot, but SA need 2 shots and SMG 2-5 shots. yes totally modeled off real life performance. or should we talk about dispersion that is basically just made up numbers based on weapon class and need for balance. ffs i am not certain that even recoil was modeled by their real life counterparts cause same cartridge on basically same gun gives different recoil values.
so yeah “real life performance” of guns is basically irrelevant argument. if you want to give real argument translate it to game stats and game mechanics.
cause you make stupid arguments. if dispersion was significantly higher like e.g. 20% or 30% i would say that makes a big difference. 1.5% or 5% isnt big difference and thus is irrelevant cause both weapons have comparable performance in that regard, specially cause they are close-mid range weapons.
Advantages. I said this same exact thing after you asked this same exact question.
Here we go again with “irrelevant irrelevant irrelevant!”
Semi autos dont require two shots, this has been fixed since 2021. Yes, bolt actions kill in one shot, this has been a thing for ages on video games.
Whats the point in bringing up SMGs? I don’t get what you’re trying to say here.
“Same cartridge on basically same gun” As I said before, it’s likely you don’t know how guns work and why barrel length, headspace, powder loads, grains, etc are important. Why do you suppose carbines have less hit power than their normal counterparts?
Why would the devs make the dispersion THAT much different? You’re shooting an SMG, not a shotgun.
Dispersion levels, reload time in combat, control are all a matter of life and death on a WW2 weapon that makes a huge difference. The MP-38/40 have distinct advantages over the PPS.
