4 and 5 arent really that different tho unless they gonna add 3-4 and 4-5 later
They truly aren’t for now, but it could be noticeable difference in future. Especially if ±1 mm will be a thing.
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yea 3 and 4 are quite different if they ever gonna make that a thing but for now 3-5 are well sweat
Yes, I have. What of them? Having different variations of the MP-18 and MP-28 whereas the Germans get an MP-40 isn’t equivalent at all. Especially not when the Americans get two Thompsons variants and all three variants of the BAR.
Because the Japanese don’t have to deal with Panzerfausts, be it Soviet or German ones, super massive HE-slinging tanks like Panthers or T-34s, the M2 Carbine is rarely seen in the Pacific. Overall less chaos for them to endure.
“Objectively worse”
K, let’s tally then
PPS has worse dispersion, worse hit power, worse reload time, worse recoil (With a higher firerate, this is more noticeable as well.)
MP has worse muzzle velocity and 3 less rounds in a mag.
There’s a reason no matter what faction I play, when I see an enemy’s MP-40 on the ground, I pick it up.
It’s literally just an MP-18 with higher rof in 7.35 instead of 9mm. It’s a tier higher than it’s standard variant as it already is.
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Also might I also add, the MP35 has an insane amount of hit power for a 9mm SMG of 7.2, which is more than a default, unupgraded Thompson PLUS with much lower recoil, especially in the horizontal stat.
xDDDD wow, what a proper argument. There’s no point to argue with you. You are completely disillusioned about how good those weapons are.
mp 40/38 have almost same stats with pps 42 and pps 43 is bit better overall than 42
(i dont have pps 43 full upgraded so no pic of its stats but if someone has then they can look its stats up)
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also soviets only have to research one thing in smg line before having the ability to start unlocking pps42 and germans have 6 smgs before getting to mp38 (new players) and against germany the us faction now gets to use lanchester thats basically mp40
not underdog, but to play join any. playerbase fluctuates by the minute.
You disregarded the rest of my arguments, cherry picked one out. I used the MP-18 as a familiar reference to you seeing you’re clearly a German main as am I.
Let’s just ignore the fact the US has several Thompson variants in .45 ACP and .30 M1 starting from Tier 2 all the way to Tier 5, all capable of fighting the Japanese from the start… BARs shooting full-powered rifle rounds with assault rifle/SMG recoil and multiple firing modes at Tier 3. But yet a fast-firing MP-18 clone with slightly better accuracy due to the caliber difference is somehow “Overpowered, needs to be BR4!”
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you wouldnt believe it, but those stats are inaccurate (e.g. recoil) or there are hidden stats (dispersion)
use this google sheet for accurate data
negligible worse dispersion that isnt even that relevant on distances smg-s are used, reload speed is not relevant with 0.1(pps43) and 0.3(pps42) second making absolutely no difference in fight. pps42 has better recoil than mp40, while pps43 has worse recoil. also both recoils are not noticeable on smaller bursts and on full auto they are easily controllable.
both pps are way better cause of their ROF with pps43 with 800 rof and pps42 with its 690 rof vs 570rof of mp40. 5% of increased damage is making no difference when pps43 has 40% more rof than mp40
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i know of dispersion but yes there are the hidden ones, for some reason
In game stats are a lie, So let’s look at the real stats:
And just for fun: why don’t we show every single gun at T1 to T-3 just incase
Imo: MP-40 is way more controlable, Way more enjoyable, And feels over all way better to use.
Hell all of the german SMGS are like that now that I think about it.
PPS-43 feels odd to use and it’s ROF makes me hate it, I pick up MP-40s all the time.
PPS-43 just like every other soviet gun is way better for Close range combat, Where as MP-40s are way better for mid range combat.
So on some maps like the stalingrad train station, As long as the germans are being smart they can keep the soviets back and keep them pinned.
where as Soviets basically have to hope the Germans leave a weak spot they can abuse to get in close for their guns to put in work.
If I could I would pay money to use MP-40s as the USSR, Japan, Or even US. due to how good they really are.
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both pps and mp40 are extremely easy to control. pps42 and 43 are way better cause of their ROF.
depends on the user. agreed that pps43 is better at close range, but even at mid range it is good. you just need to pull the mouse slightly down and left.
this can be said for every side and every map. problem is that enlisted playerbase is not smart.
well they are better than most smg in japan and us, but are not better than soviets.
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“Both the PPS and MP-40 are easy to control” why my PPS-43 jump around like crazy?
Jumps around too much for me, I hate how it feels, MP-40 just feels so much easier to use… Which you basically just flat out said.
Agreed, Players are fucking dumb.
MP-40 is just flat out easier and feels like a dream to use, I’d rather have it over most other SMGs in game. There’s no need to “Pull down and to the left” with it.
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Ive always used the pps over the drum mag smgs. Personal preference.
Thing is a freaking lazer and very satisfying.
Hard to pick between the pps-42/43 and the mp40 (which makes them good counterparts IMO)
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“Rate of fire rate of fire!”
Rate of fire doesn’t make something automatically superior by just that single stat alone.
If you can’t control the recoil because of something with larger ROF, then you’re not going to hit anything. What’s the point of having higher ROF when someone with slower ROF can more easily land shots on you?
They are infact relevant because all those things are upsides the MP possesses over the PPS.
Again, ROF doesn’t determine an entire gun’s performance, otherwise the Beretta 1918 would be at Tier 5 and the Mkb 42H would be Tier 2 or 3.
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“ROF is everything!” just adding onto this.
my brother in christ, Why are you saying the PPS-43 is broken then?
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skill issue? even on full auto pps43 is controllable. yes both mp40 and pps42 have way better recoil, but unless you are going for full spray on long range targets, pps43 doesnt have problem with recoil if you are somewhat controlling it.
it comes down to your personal preference/skill and not towards objective weapon performance. pps42 has comparable recoil with mp40 and is extremely easy to use.
maybe cause it affects time to kill? like i said both pps42 and 43 are easy to control. if you have problem with controlling them, then it is your problem and not weapon problem.
if there was big difference in those stats then i would agree. but difference in dispersion between 0.7 and 0.71 or 0.74 is irrelevant. difference between 2.2 or 2.3 seconds to reload is irrelevant when you have 32 or 35 bullets magazine. only relevant stat is recoil and pps42 and mp40 have comparable recoils, while pps43 while having higher recoil it is still easily controllable for short and mid range fights.
so more or less almost everything is comparable with mp40 while pps has better ROF and thus making it better.
i am not saying that pps43 is broken. just that it is better weapon than mp40 cause of shorter TTK.
and it would be great weapon if it had larger magazine and better horizontal recoil.
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