Germany didn't need MP-40 and 38 to be B.R2

it was easier to ask for others to be brought in line than asking to nerf the soviets lol :stuck_out_tongue:

once they get the 3 MM queue in, then maybe those weapons can all go back to 3 (and pps).

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doubt that, as44 and is2 1944 did nothing for the soviet back in berlin.

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Probably because King Tiger was at the same time.

This time only USA will be getting the new toys so maybe

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tbh as44 probably wasnt that much of an upgrade over like, ppsh or federov (did they get those?) and the is2 1944 doesnt solve the glaring turret weakness to german guns, while not providing any extra ability to kill king tigors

This is exactly right.

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fairly real then. the soviets were struggling for a while. didn’t have enough arms to hand out to it’s troops.

While I agree with your overall points, I don’t think the Mp38/40 are so much better that they needed to be at 3, or that they’re doing harm at 2. They also moved down the lancaster, which I’ve been appreciating as a replacement for my dogshit greaseguns.


I heavily disagree, MP-40 does wonders at T2.

Remember: Everyone kept saying unlock this and your SMG troubles was over. And it’s still the case, MP-40 is just a power house of a gun, MP-38 as well.

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Japanese SMGs are glorified WWI MP-18 variations with maybe one or two that’re somewhat different. There is no WAY Japan is anywhere near comparable to Germany even if nerfed.

Easy to say when Germany has the most gear in the game.

Mag size and sight picture has nothing to do with ‘stacking bodies’ in Tier 5. Low tier German guns are still insanely good anywhere… you forget they have the M38 Beretta at Tier 1.

Exactly wrong. This is why Pre-merge Axis Berlin was such a mess. 1938 Mosins fighting STG-44s all the time regardless of how many people were on each team.

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and how do the players affect on the timecap?

one of these game mechanics plays along with one side. That’s why you need to play only for the Axis and a little for the Allies.
It doesn’t matter how well you shoot if the enemy has a lot of reinforcements and captures the points twice as fast.

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Seems you just had trash teammates, which has become even more of the norm post merge (I miss my pre merge AI teammates that actually moved towards the objective)

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Tbf, Tier I you have MP34(o) qnd Beretta M38 20rnd, both are superior than any BR2 SMG german has before the change, I made one topic about it

After the change BR2 does makes sense being an upgrade from BR1, while BR3 makes little sense since the M1 Beretta is just a MP40 with larger mag, the MP35 III might be good but the recoil for that thjng is just wack

The point is, before the update, German SMG are jokes in BR2, what would you use?

MP3008? Literally worse than MP34(o) in every stat?

FNAB 43? The only thing it has is 40rnd and no recoil, but being the 2nd worst accuracy of all german SMG(.81 vs .64 of MP34) and also the lowest RoF of it?

OVP? Why you use this dogshite?

Beretta M1916? OVP but better, but recoil is the highest of all of those BR2 SMG and the RoF for 25rnd is just bad, I mean if 600 rpm for the 20rnd Beretta M38 is bad, you expect this any better?

Then you look at PPS42/43 then nothing makes sense

And US has Lanchester, the best SMG of the faction and has more RoF than german MP38/40s…

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Well, Pre-Merge Berlin wasn’t always the same. I played all campaigns through on both sides. Berlin was USSR dominant when I played it through. I also played it recently when it’s been otherwise.

KT2 is really the only change and I don’t think that’s to blame. I think many USSR mains just moved to Stalingrad and Moscow to avoid the issue.

Weapons like MP38 aren’t the source of imbalance.

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this is a great idea
i would go one step further and add a not insignificant bonus to having join any team selected in addition to any underdog bonus

few things shifts players habits better than bribery : P

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That is true, after the news of the Steiner Counterattack spread across the forum, many people jumped on the opportunity.
I did notice that Stalingrad and Moscow got way worse as Axis then before.
Normandy allies started dominating.

literally any team except german ones… What even is the point to play anything else currently?

People complained about KV-1 and soviet paratroopers at low BR. But where even are they ? I don’t see any… meanwhile full BR3 german team are steamrolling low BR games.

I mean sure RD-44 is clearly unfair at BR2, PPS might even be BR3 materials but in the end it does not change anything because all the good players are stacking germany.

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Look at stats, first. Lmao.

You have completely no clue at all, non.
Btw. Japanese rn is even more popular than Germany, especially at BR4.

And mp-40/mp-38 are objectively worse than pps-42/pps-43. So this whole discussion is completely irrelevant
ZK/mp 35 do belong to BR3 and mp-38/mp-40 do belongs to BR2.

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The Change was done because German Mains were complaining MUH PPS OP a
MP 40 fully upgraded performs way better than the average SMG that are PPS 42/43

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I unlocked the new Tokyo dmg 2 days ago…

I got scared of it’s power. I didn’t think there could be better after late type 100 or SIG.

I even wonder if it doesn’t belong in tier 5 :thinking:

Probably because it’s no assault rifle, or a lil bit less effective that ppsh41

Still :no_mouth:

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It should definitely belong to BR5, it’s crazy. And SIG should be BR4, iirc it is only BR3.

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