If the game goes 1.0, how do you think they would monetize the game? Let’s discuss together cuz idk how would they plan for it
premium account, exp boosters, skins/modells, slots, instant train tickets, and so on
basically every ‘time consuming’ need in game, including supply boxes in the very worst case
Aww man, those supply loot boxes are the worst scenario imo :(( and about skins especially weapons, im quite disagree…*as long as its historically relevant, im down
I actually hope they’ll go back to the pay per campaign system.
Also, monetizing uniforms etc would be better than premium i think.
Wouldn’t that be a bit painful with that pay per campaign?? Speaking about monetizing uniforms, weapons, i’m totally down with u bud
Well I think it would be better, as every campaign would have individual progress anyways, they’re kinda individual games. So 10-30$ per campaign would be fine. You would only buying/playing the ones you are interested in anyways
Better be packed in bundles, so that would be eastern front packs, western front packs, african campaign packs and pacific packs, hehe.
Well-said bud…
it will meet the same fate like bf4 where there was not full servers since many bought many dlcs lesving with low players per map
If the game generates enough interest I wouldnt be against it if the devs cant get a fair freemium model going.
They would run into the big problem that most shooters ran into when they used to sell dlc maps seperately, it splits up the community, and if too few people buy it, the DLC dies before the game does, this is why R6 siege went the way of free DLC, this is why bf5 went that way (and utterly screwed it up) and its why BF1 sold the game with all dlc at $60 a bit after release, if you release the game in chunks, you run the risk of parts of the game going unused.
This might not be the case since enlisted campaigns are so different in how they work from an expansion in any other game, but its a risk.
I would prefer that over the loot box progression and the leaked P2W premium subscription, honestly.
Add premium squads, like an Italian squad fighting in Stalingrad
Just like War Thunder, light P2W stuff like premium accounts, exp poosters, maybe even some weapons or skins for them.
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This is actually pretty old thread and there is a lot of dust on it.
As for the sources, sadly original monetization plans from Enlisted main page were removed together with webpage rework, but I can at least provide you this Interview to chew on : https://segmentnext.com/2020/05/18/enlisted-interview/
This is actually second type of monetization plan, the first one is (probably forever) lost with rework of main webpage. First plan involved: purchaseable campaigns and cosmetics so you can see that this original and rather noble plan was probably a big nono to publisher.
By the date of interview you can also see that it is nothing new that gaijin plans fate of WT for Enlisted.
You may argue that not much is being said about specifics, but since when is gaijin transparent with their plans? Also if you compare this Interview with reality we have now in both War Thunder (new permiums are almost all P2W, we got BattlePass aka pay-to-grind logic, we have premiums, GJN, draconic assembly events…) and Enlisted (so far as premium “vehicles” aka squads stage), you can see corellation that is too dangerous to ignore.
I hope I helped you a bit with getting monetization info and source of our worries.
Let’s compare it to all gaijin games:
War thunder:
Premium vehicles, premium time
Crossout:
Premium packs, premium time
CRSED:
Premium units
Enlisted:
Premium squads, possible premium time (leaked)
Issue is that unlike with the other games, the premium squad in Enlisted offers an objectively better gun than it’s non-premium counterpart (MP-41, PPK is arguable), double perk capacity, and overall offers an absolute end-game experience, despite Gaijin claiming it does not sell end-game content (such as not offering top-tier vehicles in war thunder (altho they kiinda do that but that’s also wrong), or offering legendaries/relics in crossout).
Of course, on top of that, in the other games there is a matchmaker that makes sure that despite having the vehicle “spaded” in War Thunder, and having a pre-built vehicle in Crossout, it does not clap players that did not pay, as the difference between them is much smaller.
Yep. That alone is concerning, but we all know it will happen at certain point which wouldn´t kill a game entirely if it is not going to happen too soon (War Thunder is still a great game in many aspects and that is why it is still populated in already established gamemodes). And by the fate of War Thunder naval forces we also know that gaijin tends to be too soon too greedy and with the way how monetization is being pushed in recent years, Enlisted might follow same fate.
Now I may seem like doing so, but I do not want to trashtalk gaijin, just taking more critical approach. So if devs/moderators actually see this post, I´m only trying to present empirical evidence (what we can see in practice) and convert it to possible fate of Enlisted.
Use the way back machine, apparently Enlisted is on there.
He actually specifically mentions only good stuff there, no gameplay advantages from premium stuff was specifically mentioned and paying to speed up progress which is acceptable, depending on where you stand on that. So I don’t see yours or TCat’s issues with it.
Oh and in case you are about to mention the current premium squads in your long post, those don’t count towards his statement since those are rewards and we are not even at OBT to which his statements may apply.
Im sorry to disappoint but I will do that, and you will see why and how it fits.
No publisher ever says in advance that monetization is going to be abusive and predatory P2W kind. Yet in reality we have those upon release. (Looking at you AAA game publishers)
Most important is this part:
While we cannot disclose all the details yet, the microtransactions approach will be more or less similar to War Thunder.
Now look at War Thunder monetization and try to get feeling that its fine. If you actually can say that then I can reply with: Pg-02, Ka-50, Obj120, F89 and many more.
This is actually the clue you should be looking at instead of letting typical diplomatic response for dummies who never played WT to obscure your vision.
Players will be able to either play to get to the higher tier equipment and soldiers in each tech tree or pay to speed up the process.
That would fit description of premium squads (I´m fine with them having exp gain increased, and I personaly find that a good way to go) IF:
There will also be some premium cosmetic items that won’t give gameplay advantages
Now compare it to current premium squads that are also “cosmetic” together with speeding up research. That one creates pretty loud alarm in my head.
but will please the most dedicated military history fans.
Now I wanted to mention that one because there were actually plenty of suggestions to monetize various type of cosmetics or graphics (for example more detailed german uniforms, different kind of equipment that is not overpowered etc.). I myself suggested removal of censorship for certain (and lets face it nowadays it would be MOST) countries by monetizing it (which would not only generate quite a bit of green because lets face it, players generaly love historical accuracy for immersion and censored games are getting much criticism from those, but it is also easy to control purchases to ensure no laws are broken) by making uncensored game visible only for that certain player who purchased it.
I´m sorry that this was a bit long and exhausting post, but as War Thunder veteran I wanted to explain the situation and actual meaning of that response as best I can to you. Also, don´t even try to think that premium squads are only CBT thing. They will be purchasable even after OBT and many more types of premium squads will join them eventually. This is too profitable option to monetize to let it go with end of CBT. So it still applies to the issue.
Lastly, I hope that it proves you, that we are actually trying to do more than just complain around. We were actively trying to keep Enlisted away from what WT monetization means as long as possible through various suggestions and even now we aren´t giving up the fight and keep bringing this up.
I know full well the systems in place in WT and they are bad, but he clarified what he meant there and only said the good stuff.
He actually mentioned those as two separate things, but they could be additional benefits of premium squads as we have seen which is fine.
I mentioned that and nowhere did it state that the premium reward was cosmetic, in fact the opposite lol and I already addressed that, though potentially after you wrote this.
We have no reason to suggest that they will do so for full release so rather than criticise, encourage them to not and praise them for good actions, if they do do anything you don’t like, then let them know.
This is “I didn´t cheat on you honey (we can combine P2W into cosmetics or pay to progress faster) because we aren´t married yet… you know, wedding (OBT) is next month” logic.
After premium squads being such a success, you still believe gaijin will just let this go away? We have seen this in the past with Herman Sherman pack (just a rough example).
By the words of Thatcher: “No, no, no.” It is not likely to happen.
But whatever, believe what you think is best to believe in Neo, I only offered you raw reality and provided what I think is enough of an evidence.
I honestly have nothing more to say on that matter (right now). And I´m sure I´m not the only one who sees it. I wish only the best to Darkflow, but Enlisted is going to have hard time to succeed, unless their gaijinized approach at least partially changes.