For the anniversary of the merge update, rearrange the progression trees

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Hello bajtársak and fellow forum dwellers.

The merge update was released after maintenance back in December of 2023.

Many changes have been made to the BR of equipment but the progression tree remains unchanged, it is very inconvenient for players to unlock a BR X weapon on tier X+1.
Sometimes it does make sense like unlocking Tiger I H1 which is foldered into Tiger I E, but most of the time it’s just annoying or straight up unfair like Germany and US unlocking Mp40 and Lanchester on tier III while USSR and Japan unlock Pps-42 and Type 2a on tier II even though all of these weapons are BR2.
Please move the gear to its BR appropriate tier.

New weapons and vehicles were added but none of the existing equipment was foldered to make space, equipment very similar to each other should be foldered to make space.
For example It would be more than reasonable to folder Mp38 into Mp40.

Finally in some rare instances, new evidence came to light with some weapons such as FNAB-43 having much higher fire rate in reality than it has in game. Correcting the fire rate would increase the gun´s BR to BR3 or BR4 from BR2.
If the G43 kurz was corrected for historical accuracy then other weapons should be corrected as well and moved to appropriate BR.

Thank you for your time and attention.

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I would love fnab being almost like a laser gun yes but idk about others

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Problems caused by tiers don’t effect us veterans because we already have many things unlocked, but for most players it is very inconvenient to unlock the tier than the weapon.
Take Garand and Type Otsu for example, both are BR3 but are on tier 4, so a US and Japan player needs to unlock tier 4 first and research the weapon to get a BR3 rifle while Axis and USSR get their BR3 rifle on tier 3.

There are many such cases in game and I don’t think they are fair.

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Why do you people think BR and Tier have absolutely anything to do with each

Yes

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One of my few friends that still plays Enlisted from time to time did actually complain about exactly this, why do you unlock worse gear after the better gear?

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Yeah its a pain as a new player, like im researching Tier 4 at BR2, I mean its not the end of the world, but I feel like I cant play BR3 until I unlock all the BR3 items, as lacking any just means I grief my team.

My biggest grip about the allied tech tree is unlocking rifleman squads, which are all locked behind other expensive weapons before I can even research them, which is ok following the RP reduction update, but its still a bit annoying that the entire point of having sub branches was so you can avoid unnecessary grinding.

But to compare this to the soviet tree which I think is absurdly blessed. For a start, The german and allied early tree is littered with so many rifles which are made redundant exactly after the next one, Like why would I ever use the ross rifle over the lee enfield? Compared to the soviet tree where you can unlock rifleman 3 right off the bat which is just plain nuts, But even that isnt stuck behind a dumb ass side grade at best weapon I never plan to use.

Like why is allied Rifleman 2 locked behind the M1 carbine GL when you have to go through the M1903 GL to get there, meaning you will never use the M1903 GL unless your larping, surely it would make more sense for rifleman 2 to be with the M1903 GL and then you can spend the extra time to get a better GL like the SMLE mk3 GL or M1 GL.

Again with the german sniper 2, its locked behind a worse version of the weapon you get anyway when you unlock it, invalidating the point of unlocking a better weapon.

It just seems backwards to me, another good example in the allied tree is the Thompsons and BAR, where you just have so many subvariants of it when they could all be foldered instead, the only things that shouldnt be foldered at the squad unlock weapons.

Fuck it, just gonna quickly go over the tree,
Rifle Line :

  • Folder Ross Rifle behind the M1917 Enfield
  • Folder the M1 Carbine GL behind the M1903 GL and make the M1903GL give the rifleman 2 squad instead
  • Folder Lee Enfield Behind the SMLE mk3
  • Folder Sniper M1 Garand behind the Lee Enfield Sniper

SMG Line :

  • Folder Browning auto 5 behind Winchester Mod.1912
  • Folder Lanchester behind the Owen gun, and have the owen gun unlock assaulter 2 instead.
  • Folder M1928A1 Thompson behind M1A1 Thompson
  • Folder M21/28 Thompson behind M1 Thompson

LMG Line :

  • Folder Bren Mk2 behind Bren Mk1
  • Folder BAR M1918A1 and BAR M1918A2 behind BAR M1918

Special Weapon Line :

  • Folder PIAT behind M1 Bazooka

Tank Line :

  • Folder Daimler Mk2 behind M3 Stuart
  • Folder M4A3 105 behind the M4A2
  • Folder M18 behind the M10
  • Folder the M4A2 76 behind the M4A1 76

Plane Line :

  • Folder Hurricane Mk2B behind the F2A-3 Buffalo
  • Folder P-38G behind the SBD-3 Dauntless

Now this is just something I came up very quickly there so I’m sure there’s mistakes and improvements to be made here.

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I agree with all of the above, thanks for sharing.

I am curious why DF still leaves all these weapons in higher tiers when theyve been reduced in BR like as mentioned various guns for BR II still in Tier III.
For example I wasnt aware the MP40 was BR II for AGES, Im sure many people make that mistake as well.

Definitely agree about rifles too.

Also the BARs. The M1918BAR should be BR II. (USA needs a low rank LMG and it is not as good as the other two BARs. Plus why do we need three BAR LMGs at the same BR???)

The BARA1 and BARA2 should be foldered. Why research and use the A1 when you can get the A2 in the same BR? (which is a better gun).

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They do for people who are just unlocking them.
Not everyone played before the merge.

Let’s say you are a new player researching US tech tree and you want to play BR3 because that offers the most historically accurate experience with the most famous guns.

You unlock 7 tier II gear so you can now start researching tier III equipment but half of the equipment BR3 equipment is actually locked behind tier IV.
In order to access the Garand and the Thompson on tier IV you first need to research 6 tier III gear, until that the best you can get is BAR A2.

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Nope we don’t a slightly worse version of the most op LMG of BR3 at BR2. You americans already have the best smgs and bolt rifles at BR2 what else do you need?

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Youre in the minority here mate, plenty of players agree the M1918BAR would be more appropriate at BR II.

For starters perhaps you could explain to me why we need three BARs at the same BR?? Especially when the first is significantly worse than the second and third?

Best SMGs? Are you kidding? M50 Reising is an actual Nerf gun, M3 Grease gun shoots chunk chunk chunk with terrible sights. Owen gun is only good in certain situations, Sten is cheap with Play School sights. The Lanchester is just a copied MP28, which is the BR I German SMG.

Meanwhile Germany for example gets the MP40, one of the best SMGs of WWII at BR II.

Finally rifles. The lee enfields are great yes, but none of the others are much good. Springfield has okay sights but a weird and slow cycling of the bolt.

Meanwhile all the German and Italian rifles are really good, especially the two Carcanos, Mannlicher M1895 and Vz.24.

I have no idea what youre complaining about LOL.

Oh and how could you call the BAR the “most OP LMG”. For starters, its not even a proper LMG. As for OP, really? The M1918BAR makes the PPsH jealous with its vertical recoil. The MG13, Zb 26, Breda and the Japanese ones are much better.

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They need to add more tech tree weapons as I have finished researching all my Allied and German tech tree weapons, and currently am just building my research points. Over 2 million allied points and just over 200k German points and counting. Gimmie weapons… :yum:

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From where are you taking that stat? Out of your arse? Or your discord friend (one)? Vast majority of people are against of your change since it would completely kill already underpowered Germans and turn those matches into a ghost town. You have a plenty of great LMG at BR2 for America you just got Chatellerault M24/29, your Vickers-Berthier got buffed and there is also Besal that got nerfed for some damn reason but it’s still more than fine. There are also two Brens.

DF is always padding their TT with samey guns they should be foldered.

I don’t care about BR1 since nobody plays it, for BR2 you have vastly superior SMGs that are objectively better than anything that Gemany has. Lanchester is not only way better than mp28 but also than ALL BR2 Axis smgs including famous MP40. Sten is better than MP40, BSA Welgun is also better than MP40

Again with the delusion it’s the worst BR2 smg in the game, it has extremely slow rof and can’t compete against Lanchester, PPS-42/43 and especially Type 2a

All of those have bad sights and are inferior to Lee Enfield and Soviet’s Winchester. It’s funny how you forget about crappy MAS. Only VG2 and Kar98k are good rest is mediocre or trash.

Yeah because you are a delusional Allies main that never played a single match as Germans and act like we are number 1 nation in the game across all BRs while in reality at low BR we are the worst nation way worse than even Japan that has laser accurate smgs, good rifles and good tanks (like Ho-i and Chi-ha kai)

It’s LMG you know why? Because it has massive dmg per bullet and good enough accuracy for you to storm points or flank enemies with help of the super small sprint penalty. None of BR2 Axis lmgs can do it as well as your overpowered BAR. You should learn the stats of the guns before you speak because you are so clueless and act like you are expert. MG13 being better? LMAO, zb26? that is way worse than already mediocre MG13? Breda is worse than MG13. JP ones which ones? What are you talking about? Show me a single LMG of BR2 that can sprint around the map and mow down enemies effortlessly and as quick as BAR. You will find nothing.

PS PPSh-41 box has broken dispersion for months and need to be corrected to have higher recoil i’ve been advocating for it for a while but Devs don’t care.

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One of the better jokes youve told, actually hysterical.

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Keep laughing. Sten is better than MP40 and you have squad with 5 of them.

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Firstly, I played Germany for a long time before swapping to Allies.

Secondly, take a breath, chill out. So much angst here.

I dont understand why people praise the Lanchester so much? Its not a ‘bad’ gun, but there are various SMGs that are much better.
Likewise I cannot comprehend your dismissal of the MP40. I really like it, good sights, shoots well, kills enemies.
The Beretta M38 is very good too, 20 rounds is annoying though.

Ive read many comments people agreeing moving the M1918BAR down. I didnt bother to take screenshots since I wasnt aware Id need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt thoughts on a computer game gun to some random on the internet… XD

M24/29 and Besal dont count since they are gold order and event award respectively. They are not something the average player has access to. (certainly not the Besal which I would agree is the best ‘Bren’ gun).
The Vickers Berthier apparently has good stats but mate, the entire right hand side of your screen is blocked! Can you still use it? Yes… but its really not a good choice having so much of your view obstructed. (thank god I moved to BR III where I can use the BARA2).

Its true DF should folder some guns but you havent really answered the question of why we should have three BARs at the same BR, even if they are foldered?

You may not care about BR I but it still counts when youre making broad statements that Allies have best SMGs.
MP34, MP28, Beretta M38, MP38, MP40 all perfectly good weapons. Certainly the latter three. Is the Sten really better than the MP40? Sten has a good ROF but super basic sights and its a cheap stop gap gun that can be good for room clearing (likewise the Owen) but not for longer range. MP40 is good for all situations, not just close quarters.
Regarding Axis rifles having bad sights “that’s just your opinion man”. I really like their sights. So I forgot the MAS. So what? Its a pretty good rifle too. VG 2 I havent used so wont comment on. I dont like the kar98k sights.
We can debate which guns we like and dislike, either way its irrelevant to your claim that Allies have the best weapons.

As I said I HAVE played Germany a lot. I agree Germany suffers against USSR. Not sure how Japan is relevant since Japan and Germany dont fight each other. I agree Japanese weapons are quite good.

Yes, I believe the ZB26 and MG13 are better than the BAR. I do agree MG13 is better than Breda (though some have argued the other way round).

Just on the Bren guns, I think they are decent enough LMGs, but that top mounted magazine really affects your situational awareness and general vision. One cannot deny that. The ZB26 is a top mounted magazine, but I think DF has done a better job with its sights.

I recognise that there was an update to the Bren Mk I sights, those have been improved (slightly)

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Look, I won’t argue that DF places some stuff in stupid places. There’s always going to be something that makes you scratch your head and ask why. But Tier /= BR whatsoever. Tier is only there to prevent you from beelining straight to the end. You want next tier stuff? Gotta do some extra research before getting there. That is it’s sole purpose is to make reaching BR V take longer
Since everyone always wants to use WT as a comparison, WT Ground has 6-7 ranks, same thing as tiers, and pulling off of memory I believe for the US tree Rank II ends at 2.3? You don’t get your 4.0 SPAA till rank III, and your next SPAA is in rank V at 7.7. Your entire 5.7 lineup is rank III by the way, and your 6.7 lineup is rank IV. Your 9.0-9.3 lineups are rank VI

Tier and BR are not interchangeable, and mean nothing to one another. Could they? Maybe. But don’t assume they should

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Quite sad that you literally proved yourself wrong, I dont think anything else needs to be said.

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wait hold on why the fuck is the 60rpm difference in red while the .11 dispersion difference in yellow shouldn’t that be flipped?

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For some people, DPS is everything. For players who are constantly spawning near the objective and are never further from it than 50m, this mentality does make sense, for everyone else it’s not obvious whether it’s an advantage or not.

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i’m more approaching from within 20m, where that sten dispersion will lend itself to hitting limbs which is also a massive loss in dpm not offset by 60 more rpm