Flak 88m BR Placement

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I believe that the Flak 88 would be moved down to easily and be useless at BR IV. It will be very akward to play in the first place and unwieldy which will make nobody want to buy them so here are some reasons it should be moved down.

The Flak is simply a truck with a big gun. It doesnt have any machine gun and is easy to destroy.

Unlike in war thunder, a man with a mosin can simply run around the back and his problems are solved.

It will also be terrible to drive since it will need to turn 90 degrees to simply aim down in a game based on infantry (on the floor) and 180 to move tactically.

Once you do turn though, you will expose your ammo box but that didnt matter because someone with a frag grenade already killed your entire turret crew.

It also doesnt come with any machine guns which make the infantry’s job even easier.

The ONLY reason that it should be at BR IV is that it has an 88mm, but that wouldnt matter because all the armor at BR 2 cant even stop a 37mm that has more advantages than the Flak 88. You could argue that the explosive filler on the HE is broken for its BR but there exists a Pz III with a 75 howitzer with faster firerate, amazing explosive filler, HEAT for both AT and Anti Inf. , machine gun, roof machine gun, and armor that can actually not struggle against a PTRD at 200 meters.

If anyone can give me a reason it deserves that high of a BR please tell me.

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To not offend those who whined the Hanomag should be br3 and not br2. :upside_down_face:

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BR3 would meant it could face BR1 and BR2 tanks. And there’s just no reason for that. Just isn’t.

Literally nobody is forcing you to buy it. If you think it’s bad, just ignore it.

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It would be equivalent of a noob tube on low BR.
Yes, your armor is paper thin even here but you will kill everything you look at wiyhout aiming.

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Don’t you have to buy the thing or whatever? If it’s not good in your opinion, don’t buy it. Simple.

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KV-2 and flakbus at BR4? simply alternative methods for using tanks
KV-2 and flakbus at BR3? literal pay 2 win

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Ill be that guy and agree with you. I think they are both BR 3 material.

However

The thing holding that back from being a reality is the 2 queue MM which cannot be changed soon enough.

I doubt it…whats a KV-2 and a flakbus going to achieve at BR 1-3 that a KV-1 and a Panzer IV cant already.

If the HE-FT actually worked on the flak truk, maybe but even then the method to set the fuse is cumbersome…otherwise…its nothing special.

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KV-2 is definitely not a BR3 material. You can literally destroy TIger 2 H with it.

Which US/Ger BR3 tank is comparable to it? Sherman 105 is far worse than KV-2.
In that case Jumbo would have to be BR3 as well.

And all that germans do have on BR3 are just PZ IV with longer barrels.

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thats one way of looking at it.

But thats the nature of Derp guns…BR 1 Derp guns in Warthunder can kill Tigers…doesnt mean they belong higher BR. Because they trade score per minute for the one big hit.

which german, japanese or american tank is comparable to the first KV1?? there isnt one… and thats BR 3.

KV-2 is just a gimmick KV-1 on the same hull (“To BR 3” its not any harder to kill, and in principle isnt any more dangerous) …yay it can do a trick shot that can “sometimes” kill a Tiger II. But thanks to reload…its going to be very ineffective over all. God forbid you miss a shot or the terrain soaks up your round…its a long wait before you have another go.

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But KV-2 still has turret, MG and armor of KV-1. It’s just too good for BR3. It can easily kill both tigers and Panthers. You just have to hide behind the corner each time you are reloading.

Plus Soviets already do have the strongest BR3 tank lineups, T-34-76 (1941), STZ, KV-1. All of them are pretty well armored versatile tanks.

It’s definitely not a gimmick. It’s better tank that can reliably kill any BR4 tank like Panther or Tiger. It just have annoying reaload time. But it’s definitely not gimmick. It’s straight upgrade to KV-1.

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agree to disagree. Panzer IVs can kill all up to IS2s

Id rather an enemy use a KV 2 over a KV1 at BR 3…they will do much less damage to my team over the match

Dont forget that this all hinges on me saying More than 2 MM queues…I said as much in initial post

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KV-2 will do much more in uptier than KV-1

In fact, its performance in a pure BR4 match will be exactly the same as in a pure BR3 match. So there is no point in putting it at BR3.

It’s obvious BR4 tank.

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against a tank. nothing else.

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I would guess the Flak truck would perform very much like Dicker Max, though we are forgetting that in the first place this is gonna be a anti air vehicle - so we have to wait how it performs in that first before jumping to conclusions.

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Everything else stays the same. There’s no difference if enemy infantry has Pfaust 60 or pfaust 100. You’ll end up dead either way.

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It does not. It has “turret” and very good fire rate. Far better than dicker max.

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Okay true, but I would argue that there are other downsides to that, its gonna be interesting how such vehicle will perform since it is very much worse than simply being open top.

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Yes, bad depression while aiming over the cab of the vehicle. And slow “turret” traverse speed (and I think it should be buffed honestly, it’s just not fun)

But I still think it’s better than other premiums like Dicky max and panzerwerfer.

It’s just very specific one.

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Currently BR 4 is exactly the same as BR 5…so there is no point putting it at BR 4

you are basically saying the KV-2 and flakbus is on par with Panthers, Tigers and Tiger 2s?

Is that “really” your stance? I suspect not.

in anycase. Agree to disagree

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That’s just manipulative argumentation. Because according to your logic everything that’s not on par with Tiger 2 H should be moved to BR3.

I’ve tried KV-2 on test server and I was consistently destroying Tigers and Panthers. And I managed to kill Tiger 2 H frontally to its turret

So KV-2 is still on par with 2 out of 3 vehicles you have mentioned.
Its reload is literally the only thing that makes difference. There’s literally no other disadvantage.