Hello bajtársak and fellow forumdwellers,
The new Fedorov rifle introduced in the “Snow Mayhem” event is semi-automatic M1913 Fedorov rifle chambered in 7.62x54mmR.
The rifle in game also features a 2nd fire mode - 3 round burst however I was unable to find any evidence for the burst fire mode.
neither gun experts or the developers have any reliable evidence.
I did track down the source, though: R. Chumak “Weapons of a new type To the 100th anniversary of the Fedorov assault rifle”
Now it’s clear to me that the confusion was caused by lack of context.
Vladimir Grigoryevich Fyodorov returned to Russia in 1916 from France with the goal of redesigning his M1913 semi-auto rifle into a machine gun.
Multiple prototypes were converted with fire selectors and tested, two of them were chambered in the powerful 7.62x54mmR with 25 round Madsen magazines. Their test firings were carried out in bursts! - it’s not specified if the bursts are achieved by quickly releasing the trigger or by the fire selector.
Later on however it is mentioned that all prototypes were designed for continuous firing! Which makes perfect sense since they were designed for automatic rifle role very similar to the BAR1918.
The context makes it 100% obvious that the article actually means that the firing was carried by releasing the trigger and the fire selector was actually fully automatic just like the rest of the prototypes.
Firing in burst was necessary because the 7.62x54mmR was way too powerful for continuous firing with a light rifle (M1913 is around or less than 4kg while both Madsen and DP-27 weigh 9-11.5 kg).
Further evidence:
The M1916 Fedorov received 6.5mm Arisaka instead of 7.62x54mmR because that was too powerful and 6.5mm Fedorv ammunition was impossible to mass produce at the time.
No other M1913 rifle received burst fire selector, all of them were fully-automatic and semi-automatic only.
No professional gun designer would ever design a 3 burst for a 25 round magazine, it’s actually infuriating that Darkflow portrays Fydorov as a debile.
Conclusion:
The burst fire mode for the Fedorov rifle is fiction.
It’s highly likely that one day the Fedorov rifle´s burst fire mode will be replaced with a fully automatic fire mode just like Gewehr 43 kurz.
Changes to the event rewards are nothing new either since Sdkfz 251/9 was also changed during the event.
Changing a crucial element of a gun months or years after its introduction is extremely toxic, that should be avoided at all costs. Sometimes corrections are necessary but NOT in the way as it was done with Gewehr 43 kurz, if we are to avoid Fedorov rifle becoming the scam43kurz 2.0 we can take two routes:
Fictional route, Fedorov rifle will not be changed and Darkflow promises that they won’t suddenly change the gun without asking the player base first. Finally as a sign of trust they return the burst fire mode of the G43kurz as a 3rd firing mode.
Historical route, Fedorov rifle´s burst fire mode is replaced with fully automatic firing mode. It’s not too late to change the Fedorov rifle since no one has received it from the event yet.
Auto-fire rifle for rifleman class use would be a good change too. Their intention of this gun firing mod is a semi-fire start and can switch to burst, which I don’t think it gonna be effective in its BRV at all, especially in the bots’ hands.
Moderator even suggest we have to change its fire mode ourselves since there’s only 2, not many like FG42 before auto-fire treatment that we have to swap all equipped soldiers to switch the fire mode and also we should keep the guns to ourselves, not letting the bots use it for the maximum effectiveness.
Trust me bro category.
I read this myself and it’s complete bullshit, this source is focused on gun deployment history and references 45 rifles which is correct, but only 2 of those were 7.62x54mmR with 25 round Madsen magazines while the rest 43 rifles are confirmed full-auto and semi-auto Fedorov rifles of various different calibers.
Tell that to French designed FAMAS which has 25 round with 3 round burst and you know what it was the national firearm of the France and still is , though newer models have 30 round
Anyway in context of ww2 yes it is very weird that it has 3 round burst and 25 round mag
I really hope that developers listen and choose the historical route by making the rifle fully automatic. Additionally, I hope they at least slightly reduce its recoil. Currently, in the editor, it’s terrible and unplayable.
Ian stated that they did that so when last burst came out only 1 round , you would know that your magazine was empty also magazines were designed to be one time magazine you use them then throw them away but military budget cuts caused French soldier to reuse magazine causing problems with rifles
truly a “we are unique” ahh design
FAMAS was designed to be full or semi, but bureaucracy couldn’t accept the FAMAS’s high rate of fire (1100RPM), so they made it able to burst fire.
I guess the Tsarist or the Soviet government wouldn’t gave such retarded order to a 600RPM rifle.
they removed the burst from G43k deliberately and ruined the most fun gun in the game with the argument of historical accuracy - just shortly after to add a now Soviet burst fire gun that had no burst fire as well.
This is unforgivable.
This amount of double standards is pathetic.
And as such I will now uninstall the game - for the first time in my life - until this mockery is addressed.
Does it even matter? Is the gun even good? - wrong questions, the right question should be: are the devs applying double standards?
No worries mate BTW book is “CHASSEPOT TO FAMAS: French Military Rifles, 1866 – 2016” author is our beloved Ian McCollum its a very detailed book I highly recommend you check it
The reason Fedorov uses 6.5mm Arisaka is because Tsarist Russia was too poor to mass produce another rifle round so the 6.5mm Fedorov chambered gun was declined by the army. I dont know about any other goverment intervention on Fedorovs so I highly doubt they had a positive or negative influence on this matter.
It’s funny that Russian Forum CM point at the “3-line” and trying to teach me that means 3-Round Burst.
