Every semi auto rifle is in dire need of buffing

[Adamnpee]

@itskye07

In your system, people will have less incentive to play BR4 (again assuming 4 will only be paired with 5), because they will always be at a disadvantage; of course some players will enjoy this, but many players will not enjoy playing at a disadvantage, making BR2/4 options obsolete in your system.

Wrong. There would be nothing like BR4.

If I say numbers of BRs should reflect number of MM queues. And thus be balanced towards it.
It obviously means that changes to stats are needed.

@itskye07

If anything, I believe they should add a BR .3 or .7 system such as the one in warthunder.

You really have no clue what you are saying. Do you even know how many MM queues would be needed for that?

That’s just unrealistic.

WT doesn’t have teams composed of only one faction. They are made up of random players with lineups from different factions.
That is why WT can afford to have such complex BR system.

Even WT would not have a large enough playerbase to keep its current BR system but with unmixed teams.

[GeneralBrus]

@Winter_Storm

except it is though since there is no br 3 nor 4 japanese players, they are almost all exclusively in br5 or br2

Okay this is controversial, but I still dare to say this:

People play BR2 and BR5 mostly because a BR4 semi is still overall less useful than a BR2 SMG.

The difference between BR2 and BR3 is practically only having a better SMG, same for BR3 and BR4.

The performance jump from BR4 to BR5 is as big as the entire line up from BR1 to BR5.

[Winter_Storm]

@Luvs2spooge

the soft rule ruined BR3 for the Allies vs Japanese

the soft rule doesn’t exist for that br for yanks and japs so they follow the original rule of br 3-5 MM

[Darenius1]

@Cringemacht

They should have much less recoil, more rate of fire, zero or heavily reduced dispersion (every gun should have no dispersion anyway), and one hit kill damage for those who use full power rounds such as M1 Garand, SVT series, Armaguerra, Gewehr series, and Type Hei series and other weapons that are in BP or maybe added in the future. Developers must find another way to counter macros without artificially limiting semi auto rifle rate of fire.

But

@Cringemacht

Soviet players will need to have BR II semi auto rifle or else they gonna cry. I have nothing in mind yet but I believe the community will provide some viable Soviet BR II semi auto rifle

So if those shitty semis are only in BR 2 because they are terrible then why do we still need a BR 2 version after those buffs?

If anything all semi should get +1 BR to compensate.
5+ round semi in BR 3, 10 round semi in BR 4 and larger 10 than rounds in BR 5.
If they are heaviely buffed then they can compete with the battle rifles and AR in BR 5 so why would semis be needed to be pushed even lower just so some players dont face BR 5?

Just buffing the semi like you said would already make BR 4 more viable to play vs BR 5 so why do you need to ruin BR 1 and 2 with exessive semi spam for those who like bolt action rifles.

[Cringemacht]

Even then if you play BR IV infantry it’s mostly just for the AT and SMG with semi auto rifles relegated to being just another hurdle before their precious select fire rifle.

In my Allies experience I’ve found that everyone who use semi auto stick to Garand just because it’s household name regardless of it’s hideous dispersion. I’ve only seen handful of people using Johnson and I’m willing to wager that they’re just curious on how the Johnson feels.

Honestly all this will be solved if darkflow just implement a more clever way to deal with macro than just being straight up neanderthals, reduced the recoil (doesnt make sense that G43 shooting 8mm mauser have much higher recoil than an FG-42 shooting the same round) and heavily reduced stationary, moving, and flicking dispersion.

Or an even better idea is to just give semi auto the same handling with their select fire counterpart sans the full auto compatibility and greatly reduced magazine size.

[Cringemacht]

i think your argument have merit, however i am still feeling iffy for 10 rounders semi to face SFs and high capacity SMGs

[GeneralBrus]

@Cringemacht

doesnt make sense that G43 shooting 8mm mauser have much higher recoil than an FG-42 shooting the same round

Well it actually does make sense, but thats a very specific case, FG42 was remarkable for its time.

[itskye07]

@Adamnpee

really have no clue

Seems like you have no clue if you really think that people wont use the best available option, leaving other weapons obsolete and rare.

If

@Adamnpee

We would literally have the same variety.

False.

[itskye07]

Maybe if you want people to understand your suggestions, you should focus on elaborating your ideas.

@Adamnpee

There would be nothing like BR4.

[Adamnpee]

@itskye07

Seems like you have no clue if you really think that people wont use the best available option, leaving other weapons obsolete and rare.

If

@Adamnpee

We would literally have the same variety.

False.

Complete nonsense.

Literally nothing would be changed to worse. It would be either better or stay exactly the same.

And it is solution that can be realistically implemented.

Unlike your nonsense for which this game doesn’t have big enough playerbase.
Enlisted is not WT.

Btw. And if needed, worse non meta vehicles could get some kind of boost to silver/exp income.
Problem solved.

[itskye07]

@Adamnpee

And if needed, worse non meta vehicles could get some kind of boost to silver/exp income.
Problem solved.

That’s all you needed to do, elaborate.

[Cringemacht]

i mean come on, 90% reduction? I wouldnt be mad if FG 42 at least have half of G43 recoil or G43 to have twice FG 42 semi auto recoil but current situation is wack and only make people rush for FG 42 in this case