Perks: Everybody can have those?
Well… yes, but after months of hard work and grind. Grind that can be 100% skipped by purchasing premium squads and roflstomp anybody who didn´t do that. (Definition of P2W is offering in game purchases that gives you unfair advantage over those who didn´t make that purchase… that is also definition of premium squad.)
Is this good beginner loadout?
Nope, it is not good, it is mandatory to have fun as beginner and not feel useless. That is not good thing at all for the game that have yet to get its playerbase AND predatory for a game that already got playerbase. This way or another, it is a bad thing for health of the game (in run that is longer than fast cashgrab… which I guess is not purpose of Enlisted since it took so many years to develop)
Do we need more premium squads?
Yes,… IF issues with them being P2W is solved. Not sooner.
Premiums got only 4 soldiers:
Yes, 4 bullet eating rambos with zero recoil that can slaughter any enemy squad without any effort or tactics. Are they going to die if under massive fire? Yes… but that is not important, because everybody dies under heavy fire.
They have only 4 special rambos and the rest being “normal”.
Yes, normal… and also meta SMGs. That ability to take 7 smgs in battle makes squad better than anything in the game.
The only thing I’d add is that premium squads would do well to start at the same level as all other squads. Make their unique appearance the selling point, not the fact that they can have 8 of x class. It shouldn’t be a way to skip progress, it should be an alternative to what you already have.
I `m agree. We need these premium squads but maybe with all the upgrade way.
They anyway have their uniqe strength - its a seven assault soldiers and it needs to be saved.
They are strong and weak at one time. And its exactly that we need - they are specialists.
The second - their uniqe weapons got to be saved.
Third - their uncommon uniform. (At-rifle battalion got the same but nevermind)
These three features drives us to buy a premium squad a lot.
They got to be a vanilla like all others - 4 members at the beggining.
Little less squad tree upgarde but it needs to be as all others anyway. Perks for extra heatlh got to be upgradeble like in all other squads. Maybe one good perk can be saved - 70% recoil.
So it will be good for everybody. Only the skilled players who spent more then 100 hours will obtain strong perks.
But about new comers? When they face those lv18 players, is that fair to have such big gap but be in the same match? Premium squad can improve their game experience at starting levels.
So having one probably only 2SMG with only one auto weapon squad for starter and let them compete with MG or PZ3E is good?
No recoil? PPK’s recoil is even worse than free MPs. Also rambos? Why I use premium squad still get knock down in one shot? Without tactics? It’s very easy for me using free squads and weapons to kill premium squad. If anyone goes in to open street they will easy to be killed regardless of premium or not. Even facing premium squads, their weapons wont do anything facing LMG or HMG.
Bots using SMG is less effective, LMG or even rifle is more powerful for them due to AI. Also, I dont play in squad mode, 7 SMG or 4 SMG wont make any difference in solo mode.
I have been mix using premium squads, LMG, SMG and tank squads for weeks. For me, premium squad even perform worse due to they cant get double ammo perks, also cant carry rifle with them. I always prefer regular SMGer with rifle for long range.
Premium squads mostly use in close range, but in close range, usually your enemies is also using autos, the perks to prevent one shoot kill is useless, and in this case, one with drum PPD or LMG (MG13 to be exact) will perform better, due to long persistence or higher damage.
Also, tank squad, or PZ3E to be exact, is the most powerful squad among these squads.
Which is exactly the issue. Why should a new player be FORCED to buy a premium squad? Note that we are talking “once OBT starts” and it is not required to play the game. We want this to change before that happens to that once OBT begins, the game gets a proper chance to grow.
Because you are facing veterans with upgraded weapons now. You get to fight fairly, instead of being weaker, only because you have that squad. Without it, your experience is even worse.
Yet 5 perks vs 1-3 perks does make a difference, so premium squads still benefit you.
Upgraded rifles rifles can kill them, that much is true. But does have new players access to those? NOPE
Comparing SMGs or rifles not designed to destroy tanks to a TANK? Yes, MGs can be problem, but that is yet again issue with map size that makes SMGs and MGs meta. So for your entire argument of this part… NOPE (and I call bs on that one, what´s next? comparing sniper rifle damage to panzershrek?)
Are bots useless? At rank V they aren´t. And even if they were, all you have to do after dying is to switch to another rambo and shred the rest (that is my point too)
SMGs for new players? Don´t you get it yet? They have no chance even with them because of the health and recoil perks. That is primary reason that makes premium squads P2W. NOPE for that one too… (yet again)
No recoil? Oh come on, your gun is moving a bit while spammig smg with recoil perk? Bruh, it is still accurate enough in comparison to anything nonpremium in the game. I don´t care if its MP 41 or PPK. Levels are giving you access to more different toys, but that´s it. In fact, action bolt rifles are still backbone of your squads. (and still should be kept like that). And so yet again… NOPE.
to ignore every feedback demanding removal of perks. Perks are part of progression and removing these should be discussed in a separate thread. Any suggestions made about premium stuff should affect only this particular units and should not affect core game mechanics or core game balance (i.e. health perks).
to lower premium units stats to match regular units of 5 stars. Currently 5 stars regular soldiers have much less stats and therefore much less options in perks in comparison to premium units.
Example:
Amount of stats looks like p2w as its something you cant achieve without money.
The rest of premium aspects like weapons, locked loadouts, unique and locked layout - looks good for me.
Sometimes there is a need to look at other mechanics (not specifically health perks) to find the root cause of what makes something more or less enjoyable.
Example:
Sure, the premium soldiers have an advantage by having 5 perks. But that would not be nearly as bad if said perks were not this powerful.
Similarly, the premium squads are known to absolutely shred people at short range. That is not because of their premium status or stats, but because they wield SMGs. Any SMG is capable of shredding at short range, which is why you dont see nearly as much complaints about them having SMGs compared to complaints about them having the vitality perk.
I do agree on the stat reduction. Have you been able to verify that your soldier did not have bad RNG? As the soldier stats do seem to be diffrent despite being the same rank, sometimes.
But buying premium squad should give you better experience. Also, in 30USD per side, this amount of money should give you a big leap ahead. You can play without premium squad, I do, I dont feels any weaker due to Im in lv14 and having a variety of squads. New player with premium squad can at least get some game experience facing vaterans, for those who dont, they need more patience.
So it’s players to choose to use possible unable to one shoot kill rifle?
However premium squads’ perks dosent contain perks I’m prioritized to choose: 100% more health regen and more stamina regen, this is what useful and most wanted perkd in my previous matches. 35% more vitality is something, but saving medkit is more useful, and rest perks? 100% more ammo is a easy to get perks, 70% recoil less fine? But for MP41 it dosent really need it. 15% sprint speed isnt anything compared to longer stamina. also able to aim stable after receive damage is ok? but not often being noticed except arty.
BTW, Im changing 35% more vitality to 200% more medpack.
Take only starter equipment and play that for a while.
A premium squad should, in my opinion, only offer the ability to progress faster, by giving higher XP gain, etc. It should not give instant access to top-tier equipment.
New players do not have access to them, so it is not a choice.
Except they do, as you get 5 free perk re-roll points to change the pre-rolled perks to any perk you desire.
New players have none except their probably bought premium squad.
Bots are useless, this is why I play solo mode only! I dont want to take care of my bot squad mate while dealing enemies. A single human player in a good spot can shoot a whole premium squad stuck somewhere easily.
So new players without SMGs? They pay for a better start, a easier gameplay, but their skills wont effect win or lose at all.
It is still much more easy to get it than it would be to get vitality on any other squad.
Also, did you replace vitality for it? As if you didn’t, perk slot cap means you would not be able to get it.
Im gonna make this short and simple, removed the PPK and Mp41 (Or nerf it so that its actually fightable), remove the additional health perk, make it so that you have to level up the premium squad, and make it enjoyable to face, because thats what a game is for at the end of the day, to have fun! And it isn’t fun being mowed down from 100 meters with a burst from an SMG, or to shoot someone in the chest point blank, only for them to flinch and end you. So please devs, make the premium squad a research buff, not a crutch. Also, may I suggest making the price lower for Alpha testers, so we don’t have to buy the game just to have the squad. Thank you. And Merry Christmas.
A crutch is actually the most accurate description of these squads I have seen so far. Sadly, it is a mandatory crutch for new players to be allowed to have fun
