Oh yeah. Real life.
Im pretty sure that wouldnt make Moscow Allies really playable at the end.
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Yea, in any case german weapons are worse - we whine to give wunderwaffe. I’m tired of mentioning it.
Speaking of real life i already mentioned and not once in this topic that Wehr ought to have superiority in aviation, artillery, have hanomags and have more automatics. But must not have bullshit weapons from future.
is that the reason why the Soviets copied more from theGerman MGs and the MP-40 and the Germans at best from the SVT-40? Didnt all Soviet battle rifles fail haird while the FG42 was so good the Yankees copied from it?
Well. The sole whining that was ever sucessfull was the nerf of the Mkb in SG after all Soviet players boycotted it.
But I guess that was fair somehow.
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Million of SVT produced (ironically before and during the war), several thousand of your uber FG42 produced by the end of it. But every volksturm loser has a FG42.
Thing is, soviets did have semi-auto rifles in plenty in early war, germans did not. But in game we have germans spam with non-existant assault rifles, non existant hungarian smgs that spray up to 200 meters etc. But soviet semi-auto rifle that fires damned 7.62 rifle ammo as Mosin rifle can not kill anyone with a single shot. Germans on the other hand do not suffer any lack of semi-auto rifles as if they produced them in plenty aswell as those lousy 1.5 MKBs by end 1941, in amounts of millions, and if all were sent to Moscow front.
So MKB was not so bad as fanboys speak of it that it could have been nerfed.
I forgot that according to superior Slavic logic, a gun or whatever is only good if it has been shitproduced in absurd numbers.
And dare the Germans for producing a weapon primary made for paratroopers in limited numbers.
No shit, mate. I also dont know why you came up with this stupid rant as I already said that the Germans copied from the SVT for their own versions.
Because I dared to call a German/ Non-Russian gun good or hell maybe even superior? Is that also illegal in Soviet Russia now?
Ehm no, not my point and I dont even know what you are mumbling about. Its just hyperbolic from you and whatever meme of Soviet/German only mains came so far , especially from the Russian sub.
But Im telling this to someone who plays as much Axis as Greyparrots plays Allies so joke is on me I guess.
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So should we add the miserable logistics aswell?
At the start of the match role a dice and if your lucky you dont have your weapons replaced by a mosin with reduced ammo… as your weapons just didnt reach the frontline yet and your pioner already is starving to death as rations are low…
Just because something is realistic it doesnt make for a good game. There were battles were the germans fielded more man and those were the russians used more men so why should we keep it at 10 vs 10?
Wouldnt it be a great historic game if you added a map were its just 3 vs 15 as one side has an entire division versus a lonely checkpoint? NO it would be a terrible idea but historicly correct…
Wow, you’ve watched ‘enemy at the gates’ and played 1st call of duty? What the hell is that crap?
Would it apply exclusively to soviets as usual, or nazis would freeze their asses off, so kids would play with their corpses that did not even face a fight, freezing to death? Keep retarded ideas for yourself please.
It’s not necessary to reduce amount of players, its enough to reduce amount of armour, artillery or airforce to make it more or less authentic and fun to play. But yea, if germans would have all that superiority together with spam of MKBs and tanks from the future - its gay, not fun.
During the winter in Moscow? Logistics, oh man, this is the axis argument of the year.
Yes, bring the logistics mechanics LMFAO
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Do i have a dejavu or smth?
I answer this one and i’m done.
According to slavic logic gun that is produced in millions is MILLION times more likely to appear in hands of a soldier than gun that was produced in amount of several thousand while Germany had to fight on two fronts as far as i recall.
So that every hobo rifleman uses this ‘limited’ rifle. MAYBE it should be also LIMITED in game in this case?
I have no idea why you even mentioned it. Maybe to raise the importance of interior german development that makes no sense in context of BATTLE OF MOSCOW?
I’ll make it understandable even for the last imbecile.
Soviet Union in 1941 has superior firearms but not machineguns and lacks in quantity during battle of Moscow.
Soviet Union in 1941 has superior MODERN armour types and lacks them in quanity during battle of Moscow.
Soviet Union is worse in amount of artillery. Soviet Union is worse in amount and quality of airforce during battle of Moscow. Soviet Union absolutely lacks in mobility of infantry and artillery.
Germans in 1941 do not have assault rifles, they do not have tanks from 1942 CHRONOLOGICALLY WISE OBVIOUSLY. They have better machineguns and amounts of them. They have superior airforce and artillery. They have superiority in quantity of armour and mobility of their infantry. And all their success is based on their experience, skill and superiority including numeral in the battlefield, not whine for a wunderwaffe from devs. And if we are to have a game that depicts damned 1941 and one of the most interesting battles of 1941 we ought to have all THIS implemented, not your lousy sturmgewehrs that could be added in any later period for sake of everyones joy.
Now i mute you just like this baltic nazi lover, as further discussion makes no sense.
Uh, one of the few genuine truth I’ve seen in here.
I see wherabooboos arguing unicorn arguments… vs commieboos unicorn arguments. More of the same, from both sides, as usual.
Mains. Mains never change.
(Feeling bold)
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I still dont know why numbers is the ultimate answer now.
I still dont know how this relates to the real life quality of the FG42?
You said Soviets are better while at best the SVT and PPSh were. And yes, I mentioned the FG42 at the end because frankly, the Germans didnt had any actual automatic/ battle rifle before it to compare with the AVS, (AVT) or the Zombie Fedorov.
But okay. Not mentioning FG42 ever again here.
They still suck.
Superior?
Is that why they blew up so much? Is that why majority of T-35s were knocked out from 50mm cannon when they were engaging enemy armor in case those tin cans were even able to reach the battlefield? Is that why most Soviet tanks lacked five crew members and even a radio until 1943?
Really superior.
So do not have Soviets as the Zombie Fedorov was buried in Finland and the few remaining AVSs were not allowed to be used full auto due to their horrible performance.
Yeah. Good luck trying to put that in the game. Pretty sure this mobility thing while come in hand to capture those cps 50m-100m away from your spawn. And also pretty sure more tanks/ planes is helpfull in a game where two tanks/ planes can exist at the same time anyway.
Game doesnt reflect that and will not and so does quality/ reliability and to a certain degree numbers (which is why some German and Soviet arms are better and more common than they actually were).
Tell me more about your past 20 Axis expierence btw. Pretty sure that 0 is interesting to hear.
Well. Not everyone can have luck as Soviets SG.
Good luck with that because I think its more likely that you will win in lottery than putting all hopes and write entire essays about a pointless thing that changes the entire game and is against the philosophy of the devs (and is not an argument for the current game balance).
I thought homosex is not allowed in Soviet Russia? Thats really gay. Writing essay and then muting the opponent is just gay.
Cumrade, next time, just write I will mute you or dont write anything at all and just mute because thats far less gay than this.
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I remember when normal people asked for StuG and HEAT and maybe better German MGs in return for still having worse SMGs and still have worse tanks (you know… asymmetrical balance).
Answer from Tanky Soviet Mains was either nothing or git gud and CrazyParrots were busy using the high ground in Normandy when there were only Allied bots.
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It’s just tiresome for me. I can genuinely say I do not have a favourite faction, and randomly pick any dependent of what I feel like doing.
Consequently, I’m dirt poor in silver and bronze because I invest in ALL factions. Must have max ppsh41, because I like ppsh41. But must also have (too) many manlickers, cause I love those rifles. Meanwhile, I never have enough Garands. That’s when I’m not investing in Arisaka rifles and iconic type 100 smgs.
I like them all. I play them all, I want to max them all.
So when I see a commieboo whining because a wherabooboo… well… whines, I just look at them, a bit tired, finding them rather silly.
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raw production numbers alone should always be taken with a pinch of salt.
It paints a false picture without the country´s military needs and logistics.
The Király39M had its name changed to avoid any legal issues, its actually called Danuvia39M, it is very much real, wiki claims 10 000 built but most documents were lost to fires due to American bombing, so the real number is at least 4 times greater. Now that is still 40 000 right? well no problem, it was only meant to be used by Hungarian Army which until 1939 had only 35 000 men and peaked around a million.
The Wehrmacht also used at some point during the conflict but it isnt known when or how, but since it did clearly exist by 1941 it was deemed realistic enough along side the Federov.
the axis just got a rocket shooting minigun and I didn’t see a single post about it, they also got a tanks that is invulnerable to most allied tanks in Berlin and I didn’t see a post about it, Normandy allies capacity to counter German heavy amor got seriously affected with the M8 fix/nerf and nothing about it also.
But since I am here I saw complaints about the Jumbo, T-28, PPD/34/48, PPD-40, PPDh-71, T-50, T-34, KV-1, P-47, P-38, M3 Grant, Sherman II, Fedorov, AVS-36, AS-44, Vickers, Drum Thompson and the list goes on.
It is a hell of a false equivalency saying that they/me/us all (mains) complain when it clearly isn’t truth.
You didn’t answer there, I may ask here again…
But I just think that the false equivalency is on purpose, famous enlightened centrism.
Tell me where on this thread does anyone asks for “Soviet unicorns”, remove the T-50, remove the Fedorov, still have T-34, PPSh and AVS aplenty.
Now remove the German unicorns and time traveling equipment and they lose all their best gear in a blow, what the dude that lives on the third reich purposely forgets when creating this discussion.
And again, no one is saying to remove it, is just the old wehraboo whining about it somehow not being enough.
Also, played a axis match on Normandy those days to help a friend with a task, easier match of my life with just low level and event squads against high level allied players, MP-40 (MP series in general) still the easiest SMGs to use on the game at medium range, FG gives me the same feeling the AVS gives, German bolties are still superior to any other boltie in the game and this comes from someone who loves to use the Enfield Mk4.
I must be so fucking lucky to everytime I play as axis to get those easy matches and get at least top 3 on the score being on the single digits in level.
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I’d say you must simply be selective in the posts you read. I’ve seen some on each subjects, save for the multi barrel rocket launcher… As it’s really only a collector item, mostly useless, but has nice special fireworks effects.
I saw complaints about pretty much every equipment pieces, of every factions. Like I said earlier, commieboos used to throw a fit because the mp40 does 0.1 more damage, some guys even said the ppsh41 is “garbage” (that’s the word they used, I don’t even make that up) compared to mp40… I still remember when they all banded together because they thought the avs had too much recoil (even with all the known bonuses negating it). There’s the daily tiger is op threads. that or fg42. mkb got a lot of heat as well, under the guise of it’s time traveling properties, when in fact those ppl were upset because it’s a decent tool.
Again, you’re very selective if you truly believe only axis players complain. all EXCLUSIVE mains do, of all factions. Since the game started existing. And not just in Enlisted… Happens in, well pretty much any game with opposite factions. Happens in life too, with sports teams, etc.
Like @Myrm1don said earlier, you may be biased a little, which is a bit normal. You like the Soviets, say yourself you are a main of them… So as a result it’s unsurprising to see you defend the faction against whinny wherabooboos every time they pop, as they play your regular opponents… I mean come on. there’s communist in your very name and your avatar is Zhukov… Surely you can admit it, eh?
In the end, i’ll say it again, I like all factions. All. Even Tunisia Italy and USA Pacific (which i’m currently trying to max). it’s thanks to this unbiased approach that I can notice those trends.
Anyway.
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I would like to challenge you to find threads about it and more on the same amounts about the opposite ones, I remember those, I was here, saw those arguments too, almost always as answer to threads created by “axis mains” to complain about the AVS ir PPSh and saying the MP-xx was trash. I don’t judge for they using the same logic to answer those threads, I don’t agree at all, but it is successful at evidencing how hypocritical this kind of argument used by “axis mains” is.
Threads, about those, again, be prepared to show them and prove they are on the same amount as the opposite ones (complaining about allied equipment).
Like the AS-44? There’s already a assaulter weapon better than it on that campaign, didn’t stoped any of the posts I saw.
Daily, damn, I mean, again, show those, show how they are just as plentiful as the opposite ones.
Starting to see a pattern? You selected your memory, created a false equivalency in name of a enlightened neutral position and I’m already seeing nitpicking those posts without showing how they were just as common as the posts from the opposite faction.
I didn’t, argument closed I guess. Being serious now, I don’t doubt about complaints coming from players from both sides, I saw them too, but is evident how there’s one that vastly overdoes it and that’s my point. You can’t stop the dude frustrated about getting blasted by a tiger on the hill all match from coming here to complain about it, but those aren’t nearly as common as the tiger on the hill being blasted by P-47 posts.
Also, careful with the “main” concept you’re using, i am a main, commieboo? Well, I have only one Soviet faction leveled up and two US/UK factions leveled or leveling up? It makes me a burgerboo? Or just allied main? Is the fact that f2p player get significantly more time to level up a faction and can’t really jump between factions without severely delaying his progress taken as a factor on how you mounted this “main” concept?
What brings me to another point, there’s a repertoire to propagandized kids seeing bad documentaries about the infallible german war machine and going into WW2 games expecting their equipment to perform better than anyone’s else. Fuck, I played HnG and saw it first hand to the point that my clan switched factions for a war just to show how easy mode it was to play with their equipment. War Thunder, the severely undertiered German heavies, there’s a reason they are 0.3 to 0.7 lower BR than allied tanks with the same capabilities, there’s a myth created about some German equipment that turned them iconic and WW2 games can’t ignore their existence even if those equipments presence on the battlefield was minimal at least and it is more or less specific for the axis factions. Iconic allied equipment is usually the ones deployed in massive numbers. Everytime there’s those arguments there’s a false equivalency create between “don’t add my Tiger/FG/King Tiger/Panther and is more than fair to don’t add T-34, Sherman, PPSh” is a ridiculous comparison if we have historical authenticity in mind. Good thing some of us understand it’s a game and ignore it, I too find those German equipment iconic and would miss them, I just am not propagandized about their "superior capabilities ".
And the very fact that I am a self assumed main defeats your argument of “every main complain as much as the other”. I didn’t, in fact, when other allied mains come here with complaints you will probably find me there saying how to defeat the axis equipment in question and on this very posts, way up there complaining a out the T-50 I told how to defeat it with a axis vehicle several levels lower than the T-50 and as I did on several T-34 op threads showing how to defeat it, the same however isn’t truth to the opposite, some well known users of this forum will always agree with all of the posts about how op allied equipment is, some of them are even here on this thread posing as “both sides” but giving hearts to a very specific side of the argument. And again I would like to reiterate that the “main” thing is becoming a scarecrow, I said even on this forum that I have intention of leveling my axis once the merge comes and before the merge there was some issues stopping me from doing so: one is common knowledge, repetitiveness, won’t fucking grinding the same shit several times, every player on this forum would agree with me, two I’m f2p, I take a long time to level up a faction, on my list of priorities grinding axis is under the USSR, UK and US factions on this order, amidst axis I have Germany, Italy and Japan on that order, I will take quite a while to get to them, it annoys me how cool some in the west became with apology for nazism, people with the several versions of Adolf as their nickname, references to waffen ss, references to concentration camps between others is seen as normal, it has real life political implications on the external policy of western countries and this disturbs me a lot, I and several other out of the west don’t find it normal and it doesn’t appease us to play alongside those people. Now said those reasons, does my arguments are invalidated because of them? Do you think that once I get around leveling the axis my experience will suddenly change so much that I will start agreeing with TUSO and our Reich living friend? I will leave to be a main just because I leveled the other faction and my word will be worth more because of that?
So again, I think it is called to be wary of how the “main” title has became a scarecrow.
So yeah, every kid taking a historiography degree in college will learn that this is bullshit, reading the two sources won’t turn anyone less biased, what turn s a work less biased is methodical analysis of the proposed thesis, what is validated isn’t the view of the autor but his methodology and arguments alongside his sources, his personal alignments are evident on his work, but they will not be able to fabricate sources, historical documentation or to at least stop peers from pointing at his failures and mistakes.
So instead of taking the approach of “you’re a main and you’re biased” I like to take this approach “is there really a bias towards allied factions in game or this perception comes from elevated expectations about how well axis equipment should perform due to the media treatment of said equipment”.
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I am slightly biased to Germany these days (between Germany, Soviets and America…Commonwealth different league 
)…, but not for the usual reasons. Soviets were my go to in the early days, loved playing them in sudden strike, Blitzkreig, men at war and whatever else.
But then Warthunder tainted them a little for me early on to the point where I felt a little bit dirty using them because it was embelishing the myth more than I was used to and it was easy…sorta stuck with me. Dont get me wrong, that Myth is there in places with Germans too…I just let it get to me at some point, and it carries over to other games now.
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Men of War? Know Gates of Hell? They have the Finnish there and are about to add the Americans, I’ve been enjoying to play it quite a bit recently
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